Will the US in USCAP Stay or Go?

[SAR-EMT1]

I actually like the addition of the U.S. to our name.  I don't see that it takes away from our status as the AF Aux, it just serves the same purpose of the flag on our shoulder.  There is nothing wrong with affiliating us with the United States since we are a federal level organization.  I should think that we would be proud of it especially since everyone bitc... complained about the wing patches on the blues for so long.

I have the new tapes and I'm proud of the U.S.

Personally I loved the Wing Patch being taken off because I felt it brought us more in line with the USAF. But when the US was added to CAP I felt that we took a step away from the USAF. I fear that it was a move calculated to move us farther away from being the Air Force Aux.

[flyguy06]

Imdont like the name "US Civil Air Patrol". Civil Air Patrol was just fine with me. I don't want to put "US CAP" on the tail of our airplanes. There is nothing wrong with putting the CAP Seal on it like we used to have.

[mikeylikey]

So what is the official name of our organization?  What is written in the Constitution?  The organization was Congressionally chartered as what again? 

OH YA....Civil Air Patrol. 

DOWN WITH U.S. CAP!  Bring back Civil Air Patrol!!

[RogueLeader]

Yet how many signature endings have I seen changed.  A lot.

The reason is that they have changed is that we were ordered to change how we identify ourselves.  The Law hasn't changed.  Title 10 & 36 read just like they did before.   MG Pineida said: You will identify yourselves as U.S. Civil air Patrol.  Me, I refuse to do so until I have no other option than to leave.

Imdont like the name "US Civil Air Patrol". Civil Air Patrol was just fine with me. I don't want to put "US CAP" on the tail of our airplanes. There is nothing wrong with putting the CAP Seal on it like we used to have.

I really agree with you here, but there are some sound reasons for taking USAF Aux off, we can do more corporate missions now that we aren't as limited by the PCA as we were before.

[mikeylikey]

Yet how many signature endings have I seen changed.  A lot.

The reason is that they have changed is that we were ordered to change how we identify ourselves.  The Law hasn't changed.  Title 10 & 36 read just like they did before.   MG Pineida said: You will identify yourselves as U.S. Civil air Patrol.  Me, I refuse to do so until I have no other option than to leave.

Imdont like the name "US Civil Air Patrol". Civil Air Patrol was just fine with me. I don't want to put "US CAP" on the tail of our airplanes. There is nothing wrong with putting the CAP Seal on it like we used to have.

I really agree with you here, but there are some sound reasons for taking USAF Aux off, we can do more corporate missions now that we aren't as limited by the PCA as we were before.

I agree with your first statement.  If and when the name is changed ON PAPER (the CAP Constitution) I will accept it.  Until then, it is only one of wacky TP's idea's. 

Second statement, is that the real reason the name was taken off the planes?  If so, how can Federal assets (like helicopters) be used by the Army National Guard to "hunt" for drug lords in the United States?  I am not a lawyer, I only had a minor in business law (glad I didn't stay pre-law).

[Duke Dillio]

I thought the reason for the change was because there was some Brazilian organization that called themselves CAP.  I thought that was the reason we changed in the first place.  Did I miss something there?

[RogueLeader]

Second statement, is that the real reason the name was taken off the planes?  If so, how can Federal assets (like helicopters) be used by the Army National Guard to "hunt" for drug lords in the United States?  I am not a lawyer, I only had a minor in business law (glad I didn't stay pre-law).

First Statement:  Don't know,, it was the reason that I remember being told.
Second: They are on State orders, on the States dime.  We would be acting as the AF Aux, which is prohibited by PCA from doing some of these missions, if AF AUX were on the Tail, as we have CAP, or now US CAP, we can do those same missions as ANG, as we are doing them as CAP, USAF aux- NOT as USAF Aux.  That single differentiation really keys to a whole new level.
Third: I'm not either.  I just had Ag Law, and a number of talks with the IAWG legislative liaison, now the IAWG CV.


I did stay at a Holiday Inn though. . . .

[mikeylikey]

^  Cool, thanks   

[flyguy06]

We used to have the CAP Seal on the tail of our airplanes. What was wrong with that? Put it back  pn.

[Duke Dillio]

Well, you know when the CAP seal was on the tail, it made it easier for the terrorists and drug runners to go find our planes and blow them up.  Wait, have we lost any planes to terrorist or drug activities?  hmmmm....  something ain't right.....

*beats head on wall*

[LtCol White]

We used to have the CAP Seal on the tail of our airplanes. What was wrong with that? Put it back  pn.

Same problem as having USAF AUX. Remember, the seal says "UNITED STATES AIR FORCE AUXILIARY" on it.

[JC004]

We used to have the CAP Seal on the tail of our airplanes. What was wrong with that? Put it back  pn.

Same problem as having USAF AUX. Remember, the seal says "UNITED STATES AIR FORCE AUXILIARY" on it.

Can't have that...

[Hill CAP]

I just had a meeting with the MER/CC Col Walling to dicuss some other business not pertaining to CAP.

However I did ask her about the US CAP Tapes and found out that it was a NEC decission and not a big Pineda idea and that they will stay and not to expect to see any of the uniform changes to be reversed.

She however agreed instead of rolling all the changes out at a different time they should have gathered all the changes up and just come out with all of the changes at once instead of over time like they have been doing.

[RiverAux]

That may be his understanding, but the fact that it was personally brought forward by MG Pineda while skipping the uniform committee demonstrates that what few formal procedures we have for promulgating uniform changes were ignored in this case, and since he was the person standing up and proposing it, I can't help but say that he was behind it.

By the way, where in the NEC minutes does it say that this idea was discussed and approved by them? 

[mikeylikey]

Lets not forget.......did the AF approve the change to the tapes on the BDU's?  Everything else has to be approved if it is going on that uniform. 

[A.Member]

So what is the official name of our organization?  What is written in the Constitution?  The organization was Congressionally chartered as what again? 

OH YA....Civil Air Patrol. 

DOWN WITH U.S. CAP!  Bring back Civil Air Patrol!!

And bring back the USAF Auxiliary!!!

[Walkman]

So I just wrote a press release about some promotions, and being new to CAP, I wrote "U.S. Civil Air Patrol, the auxiliary of the U.S.Air Force". Reading it in the paper, it struck me that the double "U.S" seemed a little redundant and forced.

[RogueLeader]

It is forced.  Just get a good dose of Wally, and it won't bother you any more.  With regards to Scott Adams.

[afgeo4]

By the way, the National Guard (Army and Air) are the only military forces charged with law enforcement in the United States (aside from State Guards/Militias), but only when on a State Mission and/or State Active Duty.

When on Federal mission or active duty, the Guard is considered to be the regular Army/Air Force.

USCAP is prohibited from doing law enforcement. All we can do is support LE with observation and transport flights.

[RiverAux]

By the way, the National Guard (Army and Air) are the only military forces charged with law enforcement in the United States (aside from State Guards/Militias), but only when on a State Mission and/or State Active Duty.

You forgot the Coast Guard.