The budget problems are hitting home.

[Eclipse]

^ What you have "seen" is not the totality of what they are responsible for.

[davidsinn]

*Likely we will lose these civil servants quicker than September, because if they get a job offer in the fed system they are going to take it and not stick around.  I really question giving someone 8 months notice that their job is disappearing, what great motivation we will have from them .

It's the decent thing to do. I wish I had gotten more warning than "Could you come down to HR with me..."

[NCRblues]

Anyone know where a full job description is for the SD's?

[Eclipse]

*Likely we will lose these civil servants quicker than September, because if they get a job offer in the fed system they are going to take it and not stick around.  I really question giving someone 8 months notice that their job is disappearing, what great motivation we will have from them .

It's the decent thing to do. I wish I had gotten more warning than "Could you come down to HR with me..."

It's mostly practical reality - the appropriations for their P&B have already been approved for this fiscal year,
and there are going to be a lot of transition tasks that will have to be accomplished - the last thing we need is SD's leaving sending "jingle mail"
with the keys to their offices and changing their phone numbers, or worse spending an afternoon with a shredder and calling it "done".

[Eclipse]

Anyone know where a full job description is for the SD's?

KB #194 has a good general description


After the 1995 CAP reorganization, liaison positions became employees of the corporate arm of CAP, yet they reported to CAP-USAF for their oversight duties. CAP-USAF officials converted 89 liaison officer and liaison noncommissioned officer positions to federal service positions in FY 2002.

The positions were included in the Federal Service General Schedule pay scale. The LO (State Director) positions are classified as airplane pilots, and the LNCO positions were classified as CAP liaison specialists. ( Note: The LNCO-Deputy State Director positions were phased out effective Oct 2003. ) CAP-USAF has designated the duty title of state director CAP-USAF liaison office for the LO positions. These positions are open to all qualified applicants, not just military retirees.

A state director must be a pilot with a Federal Aviation Administration commercial rating. The positions require extensive travel. Additionally, the work entails supervising the state liaison office; providing advice and oversight to the CAP wing commander on all aspects of the operation; planning and executing inspections and exercises; and advice and oversight of logistics such as aircraft, vehicles, communications equipment, maintenance and supplies.

Involvement during weather-related disasters, rescue operations and searches for missing individuals is also included. A working knowledge in such areas as recruiting, the CAP cadet program, aircraft operation and a variety of specialized subjects is also critical, and the state director must maintain an FAA Class II physical.

[PWK-GT]

Anyone know where a full job description is for the SD's?

The Holm Center website, under the CAP-USAF / recruiting button:  http://www.au.af.mil/au/holmcenter/CAPUSAF/recruiting.asp

[RADIOMAN015]

Anyone know where a full job description is for the SD's?

Probably the only way you are going to get that is via a "Freedom of Information Act" request.   They might be able to deny it based upon one of the exemptions in the federal law.

See:   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Information_Act_(United_States) for general information.

See: http://www.maxwell.af.mil/library/foia.asp for how to submit the request to Maxwell AFB, AL where CAP-USAF Hq is located.

I think overall the State Director is primarily a "field activity" aka 'boots on the ground; activity for ensuring compliance with the AF "Grant" policies/procedures by CAP Inc and its' volunteers.   Surely they might be able to help in other areas, BUT cut backs/reorganization in the past having state directors supervise multiple wings based upon geographic distance and not by total resources/squadrons/personnel likely harmed the program.  The SD's even had restrictions placed on them as to how many hours a week they could work.  GS 12 rates vary by geographic location in my area it ranges $75.2K to 97.8K, depending upon the step.

Maybe the good thing about this is the AF decided that CAP field activities could be "trusted", so the costs versus the benefits of retaining SD's salaries/benefits & office support costs just wasn't there.  Perhaps the Regional offices will just do more "sampling" of operations or even depend upon others to do some of this "sampling".
RM

[RADIOMAN015]

The CAP-USAF briefing on the reorganization due to budget cuts can found at the National website  See:
  http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/CAPUSAF_ReOrg_Committee_Final_59_Ma_35D2D0053A61A.pdf

I think it is commendable for the Commander, CAP-USAF to allow this briefing to be posted and shows that CAP-USAF does need help from the volunteer membership in making this work :clap:
RM 

[RiverAux]

Glad they posted it.

However, I'm not sure I'm a big fan of this new "Region Coordinator" in each wing that will report to the Region Commander.  Think that has some potential to blur the chain of command a bit.  But, will need to see more.

[Spaceman3750]

Glad they posted it.

However, I'm not sure I'm a big fan of this new "Region Coordinator" in each wing that will report to the Region Commander.  Think that has some potential to blur the chain of command a bit.  But, will need to see more.

I was confused by that as well. Doesn't each wing already have someone that reports to the region commander - the wing commander?

[Eclipse]

Remember, there will be no more "state directors", they will all be assigned regionally.

The Region Coordinator is in place to assist the CAP-USAF personnel on military base relationships and other day-to-day tasks that the CAP-USAF people
will no longer be able to handle - encampments, Military O-rides, access to MRE' for SAREx's, whatever.

There is no command relationship in either direction.  There are simply "assistants to" the CAP-USAF full-timers.

[RiverAux]

Thats not the way I read it.

[Eclipse]

Thats not the way I read it.

We were briefed with the same presentation yesterday by the Wing CC who just got back from boards and charm school.

By "assistants to" I meant assistants to the LR ADO, assigned to a specific state, not the respective Wing CC.  For discussion purposes,
it's a "Volunteer State Director" charged with coordination of resources, especially on the military side.  Just as there is no command relationship
between the SD's and Wing CC's today, there's none in this case.

One thing that was stressed in the briefing was the number of regs that have to be changed in the next month, and the amount of
responsibility that will be coming back to CAP.  While it's unfortunate that there has to be a RIF, this is also an opportunity for CAP
to take back responsibilities slowly eroded over the last 20 or so years.

There will also be an intent to be less "disruptive" with CAP-USAF intervention and inspections.  No more GTE's, which is great in and of itself,
but there will be an emphasis on inter-state cooperation on a regular basis.  One major goal is to get wing to stop working like islands and
start recognizing we are all in the same organization, especially in regards to SAR/DR.

[Mark_Wheeler]

For the new Region Coordinator position, we might get luck in CA wing. One of our former state directors has rejoined CAP and I can't think of someone who would be better at that position than someone who has done it already! Hopefully he'd be interested in it...

Mark

[PHall]

For the new Region Coordinator position, we might get luck in CA wing. One of our former state directors has rejoined CAP and I can't think of someone who would be better at that position than someone who has done it already! Hopefully he'd be interested in it...

Mark

No, find somebody else. He wouldn't do half of his job when he was the SD.
We need someone who's willing to support everybody in the Wing, not just the areas he's interested in.

[Mark_Wheeler]

For the new Region Coordinator position, we might get luck in CA wing. One of our former state directors has rejoined CAP and I can't think of someone who would be better at that position than someone who has done it already! Hopefully he'd be interested in it...

Mark

No, find somebody else. He wouldn't do half of his job when he was the SD.
We need someone who's willing to support everybody in the Wing, not just the areas he's interested in.

Fair enough, I joined when he was the SD and didn't know much about him, other than that he is in CAP now and I've met him I think twice.

Mark

[bosshawk]

I know the gentleman in question: have known him for probably 10-15 years.  I seriously doubt that you will even get him to consider this new "volunteer" job at Region.  I suspect that he is really enjoying the jobs which he has taken at Wing level and also enjoying the retirement that he so richly deserves.

[Chappie]

I know the gentleman in question: have known him for probably 10-15 years.  I seriously doubt that you will even get him to consider this new "volunteer" job at Region.  I suspect that he is really enjoying the jobs which he has taken at Wing level and also enjoying the retirement that he so richly deserves.

Would concur with Bosshawk's statement/observation.

[RADIOMAN015]

Well one of our members today verified with our state director that they don't go on the "priority placement list" until 8/1/2012, so they don't go to the head of the pack for getting another federal job, so most will be on duty until they get on the list unless of course they apply for a position and get accepted prior to RIF priority which I think may limit their choices to within the commute area, as opposed to AF wide.
RM

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

My experience with state directors (and, back when we still had them, assistant state directors) was generally quite positive.

I think this is an unfortunate development; many of the SDs were retired USAF personnel, and brought that experience (and ability to network) to our program.

When I joined CAP in 1970 there was much more involvement by USAF members with CAP: LOs/LNCOs (predecessors to SDs) were active duty, CAP-RAP more involved in encampments, flight schools and such.

The involvement of USAF personnel with CAP has diminished steadily -- not a plot or conspiracy, just a product of the economic troubles the nation faces...but I truly believe that misunderstandings between CAP & USAF are partly a result of this lack of regular contact at wing and lower levels.

You said a lot!

When I joined, we still had uniformed Liaison Officers and NCO's.

The "misunderstandings" are a result of ignorance, misinformation and non-information.  Most of the USAF doesn't even know who we are until some dim-bulb pulls a stupidity like trying to make an AF member salute them.