^Just glad Al Gore wasn't elected, we'd be freezin' our behinds off...

Quote from: LtCol White on August 24, 2007, 04:52:31 PM
In the grand scheme of things should this REALLY be that big of a deal? Seems like its time to get over it and accept it and move on to more important issues.

An end run around the rules is something WE should not move on from!

Last I looked in the CAP Constitution.......We are the Civil Air PAtrol, INC.  If the wanted a branch tape that said "Civil Air Patrol, INC." I would accept it.

Quote from: Sgt. Savage on August 24, 2007, 05:07:52 PM
This is kinda like George Bush. His opponents blame everything on him as if he were some magical genie that could manipulate the world at his liesure.

Well figuring he is the most powerful man on this planet..........

Quote from: jimmydeanno on August 24, 2007, 05:09:43 PM
^Just glad Al Gore wasn't elected, we'd be freezin' our behinds off...

Naw, according to the Bush Calumny Machine, Al contributes more to global warming than almost anyone.  Twenty room high energy mansion:::sheesh!

Being new and not having read any of the other discussions on the subject...

I kinda' like the "U.S." added to the tape. Heck, if I could wear another flag patch I would. 

I have a feeling that this topic has been beaten to death along with the reverse flag topic and other hot issues. Just my .02¢ as a new SM.

Quote from: O-Rex on August 24, 2007, 11:51:51 AM
We're already knee-deep in the nametapes: let's keep them, they don't look too bad.

I saw my first one last this week on one of my cadets.  They look like crap.  There's like a 16th of an inch between the first and last letters and the edge of the tape.

Besides it really sounds redundant to say U.S Civil Air Patrol, U.S. Air Force Auxiliary.  The ONLY reason to add the U.S. to Civil Air Patrol is if you were trying to drop the U.S. Air Force Auxiliary...IMHO.  I say it's gotta go.

Quote from: ELTHunter on August 24, 2007, 06:20:42 PM
The ONLY reason to add the U.S. to Civil Air Patrol is if you were trying to drop the U.S. Air Force Auxiliary...IMHO.  I say it's gotta go.

And we have a winner!  That may just be the original thought.

Going back a bit...

I don't remember the National Board voting on changing our name to USCAP. I just remember a policy letter from Führer Pineda saying 'Hey guys, guess what, we're the USCAP now!" And then a second policy letter saying "Oh yeah, it's just a PR branding thing, signature endings don't change"

*sigh*

They didn't vote to change our name.  All they voted on was to add 'US" to the tapes on the BDUs and presumably the BBDUs.  That hasn't stopped the wholesale rush to use it everywhere though. 

Quote from: O-Rex on August 24, 2007, 11:51:51 AM
We're already knee-deep in the nametapes: let's keep them, they don't look too bad.

Flightsuit nametages are another thing, hopefully those weren't in the plan (?)

Knee deep is not over half.  if the change was dropped, more would save money, than those would have to change back.

Keep drinking that Kool Aid SPARKY

I marked "I don't care".  But I really hope they don't come out with new "cutouts" that say USCAP to replace the US on our service dress, or where it says "CAP"on our epaulets.  That would suck!

Quote from: RAZOR on August 25, 2007, 02:28:12 AM
Keep drinking that Kool Aid SPARKY

And what "Kool Aid" would that be? 

I actually like the addition of the U.S. to our name.  I don't see that it takes away from our status as the AF Aux, it just serves the same purpose of the flag on our shoulder.  There is nothing wrong with affiliating us with the United States since we are a federal level organization.  I should think that we would be proud of it especially since everyone bitc... complained about the wing patches on the blues for so long.

I have the new tapes and I'm proud of the U.S.

Quote from: jaybird512 on August 25, 2007, 07:54:38 AM
I actually like the addition of the U.S. to our name.  I don't see that it takes away from our status as the AF Aux, it just serves the same purpose of the flag on our shoulder.  There is nothing wrong with affiliating us with the United States since we are a federal level organization.  I should think that we would be proud of it especially since everyone bitc... complained about the wing patches on the blues for so long.

I have the new tapes and I'm proud of the U.S.

I think you are misconstruing what those of us who are against it are saying.  We are already affiliated with the United States by having the U.S. Air Force Auxiliary connection.  We already have the federal connection.  Adding US to CAP is redundant.  Do you see FEMA using USFEMA, or the National Weather Service using USNWS.  No, those agencies display their affiliation to the federal government through their parent organizations.  FEMA, U.S. Department of Homeland Security; and NWS, U.S. Department of Commerce.

Quote from: SJFedor on August 25, 2007, 01:06:52 AM
Going back a bit...

I don't remember the National Board voting on changing our name to USCAP. I just remember a policy letter from Führer Pineda saying 'Hey guys, guess what, we're the USCAP now!" And then a second policy letter saying "Oh yeah, it's just a PR branding thing, signature endings don't change"

*sigh*

Yet how many signature endings have I seen changed.  A lot.

Quote from: ELTHunter on August 25, 2007, 01:27:54 PM

Quote from: jaybird512 on August 25, 2007, 07:54:38 AM
I actually like the addition of the U.S. to our name.  I don't see that it takes away from our status as the AF Aux, it just serves the same purpose of the flag on our shoulder.  There is nothing wrong with affiliating us with the United States since we are a federal level organization.  I should think that we would be proud of it especially since everyone bitc... complained about the wing patches on the blues for so long.

I have the new tapes and I'm proud of the U.S.

I think you are misconstruing what those of us who are against it are saying.  We are already affiliated with the United States by having the U.S. Air Force Auxiliary connection.  We already have the federal connection.  Adding US to CAP is redundant.  Do you see FEMA using USFEMA, or the National Weather Service using USNWS.  No, those agencies display their affiliation to the federal government through their parent organizations.  FEMA, U.S. Department of Homeland Security; and NWS, U.S. Department of Commerce.

Well, as someone posted before it seems like only the blue tapes on the (B)BDUs are effected and no other changes have been mentioned/mandated.  It doesn't make much sense since we wouldn't normally be wearing the uniform outside of the U.S. on a regular basis.... but not much makes sense about a lot of things it seems.

It just seems to me like our organization is always busy.... busy, busy, busy, and never staying the same.  Always have to change something, or add something and then nothing is standardized or updated in the books.  Amazing.

Silver Nameplate and blue nameplate for corporate blues = US CAP too...

Quote from: Major Carrales on August 24, 2007, 02:18:11 AM


One curious question...if the the Major General is converted to Citizen Pineda, who will the "focus of angst" be then?  If they reveal some unpopular uniform or a change to the basic seal of the Civil Air Patrol...and Citizen Pineda is gone...will the powers that rant turn against Brig General Courter?

That is a serious question I am asking here. 

We will move on Vanguard.
Vive la Resistance.
Vanguard is evil

Quote from: SAR-EMT1 on August 26, 2007, 12:40:00 AM

Quote from: Major Carrales on August 24, 2007, 02:18:11 AM
One curious question...if the the Major General is converted to Citizen Pineda, who will the "focus of angst" be then?  If they reveal some unpopular uniform or a change to the basic seal of the Civil Air Patrol...and Citizen Pineda is gone...will the powers that rant turn against Brig General Courter?

That is a serious question I am asking here. 

We will move on Vanguard.
Vive la Resistance.
Vanguard is evil

Ditto.