Being One with the USAF!

[Major Carrales]

In lieu of some discussions of a heavy nature, may I propose a POSITIVE thread where we discuss things that will truly make us one with the USAF.  By that, I do not mean having them accept us as a "new COMMAND" or "becoming part of the National Guard," but rather practices that we can do at the Squadron Level, and insight on what works best tactfully, to polish us up.

Here are my suggestions...

1) A segment in a Unit Newsletter outlining uniform wear.  It is done in response to problems seen, but allow a person to correct the effort "on their own."  A private conversation then to address the uniform error could follow.

2) Senior Member Drill and Ceremony- Once a month or so "form up" to insure that if this is ever called for everyone will know what to do.

3) I learned this from a Lt, an after meeting session at a local fast food place to debrief the meeting in an informal manner.

Add yours or alter mine...keep it positive. 

Major Carrales

[SAR-EMT1]

I think some of what you suggest has a place in the operation of Iowa's new plan.

I think everyone would agree that we need polished and that it MUST begin at the local level. How then does it move in a coordiated fashion?

[ZigZag911]

Experienced staff officers (Wing/Group/nearby squadrons) mentoring individuals new to a specialty...

Group & Wing staff officers holding periodic sessions with their squadron counterparts for "continuing education" and exchange of methods, ideas, best practices

[Major Carrales]

Experienced staff officers (Wing/Group/nearby squadrons) mentoring individuals new to a specialty...

Group & Wing staff officers holding periodic sessions with their squadron counterparts for "continuing education" and exchange of methods, ideas, best practices

Excellent, I ahve been a fan of this for a while now.  The upper most people in their craft move up and offer their skills to theunits.

[O-Rex]

I think what Ely is trying to say is that "strategic plans" aside, there are everyday things that can be done to instill a sense of Air Force Culture & Sprit to our members. 

First & foremost: Learn the history of BOTH organizations.  Little tidbits go a long way: I had the pleasure of attending an Air Force Function as a CAP member, and when an impromptu chous of "Wild Blue Yonder" began, they were surprised that I knew ALL the words (here's a toast, to the most, to those who love the vastness of the sky...)   

Understand the mission of CAP and USAF, and be able to articulate them.  The general public will be curious, and AF presonnel will query you to see what you know (or don't know.)

Take at least one USAF PME correspondence course: it'll at least teach you to speak some of the Air Force "language"

Learn to lead in drill-While you'll probably never use it, the self-confidence in being able to lead a flight in drill carries over to other activities.  You can use cadets ad your "lab rats" (they'll be happy for the opportunity to practice.)  Don't be embarrassed when you make mistakes in the learning process: chances are, cadets will respect you for the honest effort you are making to master a facet of their world.

Know the parts of an airplane (you know, the funny flying machines that put the **Air** in Civil **Air** Patrol) and how it flies!!  No matter how many ribbons and bits of tinsel you wear, it's all for naught when you refer to a propeller and the "spinning thingie" or think that "Bernoulli's Principle" is a guy who runs an Italian high school.

[Major Carrales]

I think what Ely is trying to say is that "strategic plans" aside, there are everyday things that can be done to instill a sense of Air Force Culture & Sprit to our members. 

First & foremost: Learn the history of BOTH organizations.  Little tidbits go a long way: I had the pleasure of attending an Air Force Function as a CAP member, and when an impromptu chous of "Wild Blue Yonder" began, they were surprised that I knew ALL the words (here's a toast, to the most, to those who love the vastness of the sky...)   

Understand the mission of CAP and USAF, and be able to articulate them.  The general public will be curious, and AF presonnel will query you to see what you know (or don't know.)

Take at least one USAF PME correspondence course: it'll at least teach you to speak some of the Air Force "language"

Learn to lead in drill-While you'll probably never use it, the self-confidence in being able to lead a flight in drill carries over to other activities.  You can use cadets ad your "lab rats" (they'll be happy for the opportunity to practice.)  Don't be embarrassed when you make mistakes in the learning process: chances are, cadets will respect you for the honest effort you are making to master a facet of their world.

Know the parts of an airplane (you know, the funny flying machines that put the **Air** in Civil **Air** Patrol) and how it flies!!  No matter how many ribbons and bits of tinsel you wear, it's all for naught when you refer to a propeller and the "spinning thingie" or think that "Bernoulli's Principle" is a guy who runs an Italian high school.

All movements in CAP must begin at the grassroots level.  For example, if we wanted a Professional Military, or Aerospace or the like movement to begin mandating it from National will meet all sorts of resistance...but if it were to begin at the squadron level where units would initiate such activities (like NCO programs, Drill, professional military protocol and the like) it could take root and then be "strung together" by Wings and eventually national.

I beleive that the Iowa model may be an example of that.

So, if we are to get it together, it migth be best to establish some guidelines that could be informally implemented at the unit level.  The Chief that posts here has materials that could be used.

It doesn't have to be painful, it doesn't have to be a course miles from home and costing hundreds of dollars, we can start with the expertise in our units and grow from there.

[aveighter]

O-Rex makes an excellent post on the matter.

A story that bears repeating;

I too have had the pleasure of attending a number of AF functions while in uniform.  In the not to distant past I was at Vance AFB to participate in the various graduation ceremonies of the younger son.  At the formal dinner that evening we were in the receiving line to meet the dignitaries on hand including the General who would give the speech and present the class awards.  I looked magnificent (everything fit, no ooze, hair high and tight) and Mrs. aveighter was absolutely stunning.  The General and I shook hands and then he proceeded to ignore me while engaging the Mrs. in rapt conversation for several minutes (I took no offence, I've been looking at her for 25+ years and still can't take my eyes off of her).  I chatted with Mrs. General so all was not lost.

However, later in the evening while the General was making the rounds to all the tables he stopped for a time with me.  After congratulations on my sons class performance (#1 in academics, flying and commanders award) he asked what kind of uniform I was wearing as he didn't recognize it (there were a number of other service types there including a puddle pirate aviator).  Upon hearing that it was a CAP uniform he smiled and said "Oh yeah, you're the guys with that hyperspectral system, very interesting.  I had a briefing on that about a year ago."  A little more small talk and he was off to the next table.

We are part of the family and the team with a job to do.  But, a hundred good works are easily undone by one nimrod looking like crap with an attitude to match and the vocal presentation of a budding imbecile.  Hence the extreme desire on the part of many to get with a program (I think the Iowa guys are performing miracles in this regard, Major K's Florida proposal is another example) on par with any serious professional level operation.

If half the energy here was put to that task as is lost in the minute aspects of meaningless drivel that so much conversation devolves into, well just imagine the possibilities.

[ddelaney103]

Make it easier to do our jobs. 

If you know a sqdn position really well, come up with a job guide and task guide.  The CAP pub I miss the most is the Commander's Guide.

CAPNHQ has come up with a bunch of new tools on e-business.  However, they're probably not being used as well as they could be because people have no training.

If you have a database that tracks CP or PD progression for members, make sure people know and put it someplace where they can download it.  Make sure there are instructions for use.

Making the annoying but important tasks are easy to do will reduce burnout and free up time for mission related tasks.

[Smokey]

aveighter,

Just curious,   since the general didn't recognize your uniform....which one were you wearing???

[aveighter]

Mess Dress.  The boards and sleeve braid are different.  He initially thought it was an older style AF uniform (they were evidently like ours at one time) and didn't catch the fine print on the CAP crest that takes the place of one of the buttons on the jacket.  Besides, he was too busy chatting up Mrs. aveighter at the time to focus on me in all my finery.

At these various functions I have always felt welcome and been treated with nothing but respect, complete with all military courtesies as appropriate.  I do wonder, however, if the personnel I have come into contact have any experience with other CAP representatives.  I feel that it is therefore incumbent that the best possible appearance and presentation be put forward.  You never know who is watching or who it is that you meet that will at some point in the future have a decisive input into our operations or opportunities.

As any of the many here who have spent time (other than the occasional visit as an outsider) on a military reservation will attest, there is a sense of quiet strength, dedication and mission orientation and seriousness that pervades the facility and most of it's personnel.  I find it a most comforting environment and desperately hope we can develop some semblance of that within our own organization.  It does exist on a here and there basis but it's spotty. 

Remember, one buffoon coming into contact with a military officer or senior NCO or state/federal agency representative can set back the work of squadrons full of CAP professionals by light years.

[Major Carrales]

Mess Dress.  The boards and sleeve braid are different.  He initially thought it was an older style AF uniform (they were evidently like ours at one time) and didn't catch the fine print on the CAP crest that takes the place of one of the buttons on the jacket.  Besides, he was too busy chatting up Mrs. aveighter at the time to focus on me in all my finery.

At these various functions I have always felt welcome and been treated with nothing but respect, complete with all military courtesies as appropriate.  I do wonder, however, if the personnel I have come into contact have any experience with other CAP representatives.  I feel that it is therefore incumbent that the best possible appearance and presentation be put forward.  You never know who is watching or who it is that you meet that will at some point in the future have a decisive input into our operations or opportunities.

As any of the many here who have spent time (other than the occasional visit as an outsider) on a military reservation will attest, there is a sense of quiet strength, dedication and mission orientation and seriousness that pervades the facility and most of it's personnel.  I find it a most comforting environment and desperately hope we can develop some semblance of that within our own organization.  It does exist on a here and there basis but it's spotty. 

Remember, one buffoon coming into contact with a military officer or senior NCO or state/federal agency representative can set back the work of squadrons full of CAP professionals by light years.

Yes, I agree totally.  The image we get as a whole to wards the Armed Forces is totally ours to create or negate.

One's uniform, grooming, hygiene, posture and presentation should be beyond reproach on a US Federal installation be it any Branch of the Service or US agency.

Excellent story, care to write it out for me for our unit newsletter with appropriate editorial commentary?

[LtCol White]

Another way of improving this is getting more involved in activities around the base for those who are fortunate enough to be near one. Whip your members into shape and start trying to help out at activities other than airshows. Show USAF you care and want to be a more integral part of their community around base.  Help out at base sporting events. When the base has family day, offer to help direct traffic, park cars, etc. If there is a carwash for MWR or another base agency, offer to help out (asking for nothing in return). Volunteer at the base hospital. Put together FOD teams that can help check the flightline and pick up debris.

Thru your CAP/USAF personnel, have them ask the base if there are ways CAP can help and contribute in some of the ways above or other areas the base is interested in. This is how we get closer to USAF and become more of the family. It WILL pay off in many ways after. I promise. I've done it many times at various bases. 

These are all very postive things

[RiverAux]

Ah, if only it were that easy.... take a look at the AF regulation governing how they can use CAP and how many hoops anybody in the AF has to jump through to "officially" use CAP for anything.  It is not a system designed to be used as you have suggested (though it should be). 

[LtCol White]

It is that easy. Never had a prob with it here. USAF was always quite welcoming about it. NHQ never had a prob with it

[aveighter]

Ah, if only it were that easy.... take a look at the AF regulation governing how they can use CAP and how many hoops anybody in the AF has to jump through to "officially" use CAP for anything.  It is not a system designed to be used as you have suggested (though it should be). 

Gee whiz, here is a radical suggestion.  

Lt Col White was not merely proposing an idea that struck him on the head as he passed under the apple tree.  He was alluding to things he says he has actually done.  So now that we have examined AF regulations, hoops, systems and all the other reasons why this could not possible work, maybe (but only maybe) you could ask him how he actually did these seemingly impossible tasks.

They brew up some mighty tasty potions down there in LA.  Perhaps the good Colonel has whipped up some special Cajun "hoop jumping" elixir.  I'll bet he would share it too.  Just ask.

[RiverAux]

I know how he did them ... the AF people involved very likely didn't know the proper procedures in the first place.  No problem as long as everything went well, but if something happened to a CAP member while helping out, they would have very quickly been informed of where they went wrong. 

All it SHOULD take is a phone call from the CAP member to the AF base commander or other official or vice versa.  Unfortunately, that isn't the way it is. 

[LtCol White]

NO YOU DO NOT KNOW how we made it happen and don't presume to know it either. Unless you were involved, you DO NOT know. You should NEVER pick up the phone and contact the base commander. This is where you shoot yourself right off the bat! This is exactly why the probs exist. USE YOUR CAP/USAF liasion to work thru the base PAO. This is how it is SUPPOSED to work and DOES. USAF likes people who use proper channels and respect the COC. Show some respect. These are busy folks who are not just sitting around waiting for your call.

Most of the things I have suggested are VERY simple. If your SQ meets on a base or is close to one and regularly uses facilities there like MCCS, all u have to do is look around. Stop by the exchange mall. Look at the flyers and advertisements. Read the base newspaper. You will see announcements of car washes, sports events, whatever. Call the POC for the event. "Hey, were CAP here. I see you are having an event. We'd like to come out and help you. We're not asking anything in return" For events like this, there are no hoops to jump thru.  More official things like a family day, FOD detail, and hospital volunteering will require your CAP/USAF guy's help. But still the same premise. "You do a lot for us. We'd like to give something back to you and help out. We want to be a productive part of the base community."

Organize a FREE car wash on base. You'll have to work thru the proper channels on this one. Get your cadets and seniors involved on a weekend. Set up, make the flyers and ads, see about putting it in the base paper. You'll get a good response from the base personnel. If they offer money or tips, say "no thanks".  Make sure you have CAP Signage and membership brochures handy.

Troops are deployed, money is short. Needs are great. If the offer is something reasonable, the base will find a way to make it happen for you. The hoops disappear rather fast. NHQ has no prob with cadets and seniors being involved in the base community.

We have a tendency to always ask our bases for things. Tours, encampment, use of facilities, speakers, etc... but how often do we go to them and ask "How can we help you?"

I'm telling you, it really IS that simple. Once you build this relationship, watch the things happen that never happened before. Watch how many members you obtain. Unfortunately, CAP is a big secret to many of the USAF community who are looking for postive things to get their kids involved in. Also, the spouse of personnel might be looking for something to get involved in. It never hurts to have Col X's spouse as a member.

We have outstanding relationship with Barksdale AFB here. Our members were authorized to use the base gym facilities. USAF just remodelled and expanded the facilities used by the cadet squadron there. They gave them 6 computers and then sent in the IT folks to handle all the hook up and setup.  

It CAN be done...and with no cost! If you say it can't happen it never will. If you want to make it happen, it will. Just use the right channels based on what you are getting involved in. Remember, the goal is to help, not be a burden.

[RiverAux]

You should NEVER pick up the phone and contact the base commander. This is where you shoot yourself right off the bat! This is exactly why the probs exist.

As things stand now you are correct and I did not suggest that this is what a CAP person should do now.  I said it is the way we SHOULD be able to do things.   When a CG Auxie wants to work with a CG unit he calls up the unit or drops by and goes from there (after talking about it with his local CG Aux officers).  That is why the CG Aux gets to do all sorts of stuff.  The extremely restricted ability of CAP to communicate with the AF is exactly why we don't get to do much now.   

USE YOUR CAP/USAF liasion to work thru the base PAO.

You did the right thing as far as CAP is concerned by starting the right way as far as "official" CAP help, but according to AF regulation unless the PAO worked his way pretty far up the chain of command it was not done properly on the AF side of the house, at least according to the current regulation.  Please refer to AFI 10-2701 for what the AF should have done. 

[DNall]

Ah, if only it were that easy.... take a look at the AF regulation governing how they can use CAP and how many hoops anybody in the AF has to jump through to "officially" use CAP for anything.  It is not a system designed to be used as you have suggested (though it should be). 

Dude, you really need to slow down on the regs. It doesn't work that way. You can & should do any amount of stuff for the AF w/o following that proceedure. The AFB/recruiter/whatever can even pay for you to park cars or watever from basically petty cash. The reg you're referring to gives the proceedure for AF to request outside CAP support for large scale operations with reimbursment & insurance coverage. It's not there as an impediment to normal low level interation & assistance.

I don't know what the situation is on all bases, but you won't be working thru your state director. You'll be working (formally) with whomever in the base chain of command is assigned the extra duty of liaising with you. Your state director will help you with that if it doesn't naturally work itself out, but it's going to be delegated to a lcoal issue unless the base just doesn't want to talk to you for some reason, and if that's the case you got bigger problems. Informally you'll deal with a lot of people working the angles for cross-support. Some good ideas there that help build good will, that pays off when you go looking for assistance, not to mention recruiting.

FYI- if we're talking national guard, the CCM or state level ANG cheif enlisted advisor is designated by NGB reg to be the lead POC for support of CAP. Unless someone higher takes an interest, we dealt with the AAG-Air in my situation.

[RiverAux]

The reg you're referring to gives the proceedure for AF to request outside CAP support for large scale operations with reimbursment & insurance coverage. It's not there as an impediment to normal low level interation & assistance.

Please show me where it makes any such distinction.... It very clearly applies to all use of CAP by the Air Force.  I fully agree that it is set up primarily for more "traditional" missions, but there is no exceptions in it that I see. 

I wish it wasn't that way, but it is. It should allow AF or AF Reserve unit commanders to use CAP for augmentation or other purposes based on their own authority, but it doesn't. 

[DNall]

There's other stuff that covers all of what CAP-USAF does, which function well outside the bounds of that reg. I'm sorry it doesn't clarify the point for you, but that's just not the case. Feel free to ask any CAP-USAF officer/NCO/civilian for clarification.

[RiverAux]

The point doesn't need clarification as it is very clearly spelled out in the regulation I cited as to who has authority to approve the use of CAP to assist the AF in any way. 

[LtCol White]

The reg applies to USAF Requests and using CAP. When USAF comes and makes a formal request.

It does not apply to CAP volunteering to help with minor social events or holding something that fits the category of what I have described. If you want to be so literal, then read where it talks about USAF Requesting CAP.

[RiverAux]

AF use of CAP is the same whether the AF requests CAP help or CAP requests to help the AF.  No such distinction in the regulation. 

[aveighter]

This is amazing!   :clap:

A reason not to do anything backed up by regulation, fiat and (I'll bet) words etched in stone because it couldn't possible work in the first place even if it was allowed which it isn't.

Life just became a lot more simple.  We don't have to do a thing and have a good reason to boot!

[RiverAux]

I'm a major proponent of augmentation missions for CAP members but the current regulation just makes it very difficult, unfortunately.  Until the AF changes the regulation and gives local unit commanders a lot more obvious flexibility and until CAP changes some of its rules to make it easier for CAP members to do this sort of work, it will be a problem. 

Acknowledging a problem doesn't mean that you shouldn't try to get it fixed. 

[Major_Chuck]

Lt Col White has some very valid and strong points here that I agree with.  We as an organization are always asking for something from the Air Force, almost begging at times.  How often have we actually used those words "What can we do for you?"

I hate to offer us up as free labor but think about how many familes of deployed Soldiers, Airmen, Sailors, Marines, and Coasties (not sure what they are called) could use a little help.  MWR activities are probably looking for help in some way. 

We can do more to secure standing and earning greater respect from the Air Force and the other services by being less of a child always asking for a handout and more of a willing and able partner who wants to do more than just search for the ELT's and the rare and occassional HLS mission or air show parking detail.

Just food for thought.

[lordmonar]

Dude, you really need to slow down on the regs. It doesn't work that way. You can & should do any amount of stuff for the AF w/o following that proceedure. The AFB/recruiter/whatever can even pay for you to park cars or watever from basically petty cash.

You obviously have never been through the Government Purchase Card/Contracting class!

The AFB/recruiter/whatever.....does not even have petty cash and certainly cannot just contract (that is what we are talking about here) out work with out jumping through many, many, many, many, many hoops!

If you doubt me...I am currently a contract QA monitor and have been a GPC card holder and AO!

[DNall]

I do believe you, but they sure as hell do have petty cash, just not necessarily on the books. Ask Kach about his stories on that. Anyway, they'd budget an event, and that'd include money for help on parking.

They also provide endless amounts of other support that doesn't require that whole process, and CAP provides support to them that doesn't require it either. That reg is, as stated, the proceedure for AF to call in a request thru CAP-USAF & CAP national to get mission support that will be reimbursed out of AF O&M money.

The confusion river is having is he's thinking of formal augmentation where AF would call CAP looking for someone to come fill a job on weekends. There's currently no provision for that. They don't write regs to cover any possible eventuality. Create a program in conjunction with them & they'll write a reg to spell out the proceedure. That's what he's thinking of, not what Col White described, which is no brainer take advantage of your situation stuff & good of him to remind us of cause I'm sure a lot of base area units aren't working it as hard as they could.

If you're not around a base, there's quite a bit you can do for recruiters & academy liaisons as well. They don't necessarily have a lot of resources they can send back in your favor, but they can help your kids out a lot when they make the decision to cross over, and they will put in a good word for you with others. If you can't do much for them, check with the national guard armory or area reserve unit.

[RiverAux]

Again, CAP support to the AF is the same no matter what you call it or what you're doing... the rules are the same whether you're stuffing envelopes for a recruiter or the AF asking you to take pretty aerial photos of their golf course.  I fully agree the rules are not set up to make the non-flying requests, but nevertheless that is what the AF is supposed to do.

Does it make a difference from the perspective of a CAP member if an AF member doesn't follow the right procedure when requesting CAP help?  Depends on whether or not you care about the difference in insurance coverage, etc. on AF vs CAP corporate missions. 

Depending on the mood of the CAP lawyers though, I could even forsee problems if you're hurt doing some sort of unofficial task for the AF.   There isn't really any clear direction on this issue in CAP regulations and it would dependon whether it was considered part of your CAP duties. 

[DNall]

No it's not. There are several regs that coiver different methodology for CAP to support AF. Not to mention you don't need permission. You're taking a reg intended for one set of circumstances & applying it to everything even though there is other stuff out there. That reg ONLY gets used when operational funds are to be reimbursed & AFAM coverage is to be extended. Supporting the AF is not a mission, does not require a mission number, and does not involve reimbursement or insurance. You CAN use that reg if it's necessary, but mostly it is not. Feel free to ask for clarification, you'll find it isn't at all restrictive.

I deal with recruiters & academy liaisons here very regularly (if you don't do that as a CP officer you're dropping the ball). I'd love to look for more to do for the military and there's a lot around here, but I just don't have the time honestly.

[RiverAux]

Okay, you have your interpretation and I have mine...lets leave it at that.

[DNall]

Having been the liaison at an on-base Sq & worked extensively w/ the WgLO (at that time) to deliver services back to the Wg, you should take my word on this. Or take LtCol White's as he's done much the same thing on a more extensive scale on an AFB, or some other people around here that have done similiar. Or don't & ask your state director instead.

[RiverAux]

Okay, you have your interpretation and I have mine...lets leave it at that.

[baronet68]

Another way of improving this is getting more involved in activities around the base for those who are fortunate enough to be near one... Put together FOD teams that can help check the flightline and pick up debris.

Ah, if only it were that easy.... take a look at the AF regulation governing how they can use CAP and how many hoops anybody in the AF has to jump through to "officially" use CAP for anything.  It is not a system designed to be used as you have suggested (though it should be). 

Anyone who's known me for long realizes that I don't hide my willingness to "steal" good ideas when it comes to CAP.

Col White, we've stolen this little nugget of yours and are now in the process of getting our cadets included in some FOD details on McChord.  It was really easy.  We let the chain know what we're up to (Wing CC, State Director, etc.)  Made contact with PAO and the Maintenance Squadron with the help of one of our cadets' military parents.  Now, we're working out the schedule so that our cadets can join up with the Maintenance Squadron during some of their weekly FOD walks. 

Everyone's excited... Cadets because they get to do something "real" with the USAF.  Maintenance Squadron because they get an occasional boost in manpower.  ES-types because it emphasizes basic line-search techniques.  Overall it's a win-win-win.


Excellent idea and not nearly as difficult as some might think.

[Jolt]

How would a cadet that's part of a squadron that doesn't meet on or near an AFB get something like this rolling (we need some good squadron activities)?  Would recommending the idea to a senior member officer usually do the trick?

[DNall]

This thread not about what the AF can do for you, but what you can do for the AF. And generally that's not going to involve having lots of fun. Generally it's going to involve ardgous grunt work that just flat out sucks. You're looking in the wrong thread for fun activities.

[Jolt]

This thread not about what the AF can do for you, but what you can do for the AF. And generally that's not going to involve having lots of fun. Generally it's going to involve ardgous grunt work that just flat out sucks. You're looking in the wrong thread for fun activities.

No I'm not.  We don't do a lot of activities as a squadron.  We need something like this.  After all, cadets are happier when they're doing something and not sitting around.  We've done car washes before and we've done search lines in ES activities, so a FOD walk wouldn't be hard.

[DNall]

Your airport might accomodate you for that. Otherwise call your local recruiter, tell them you'd liek to help out & have 15 cadets to stuff envelopes on a saturday if he'll bring a couple pizzas.

[Jolt]

But sir, the local airport doesn't have any military operations and I thought the point of this thread was to do something just because it helped out the USAF.

[DNall]

hence the second part of that. Most of us are not going to be near an active, reserve, or guard facility of the AF. Of those that are, not all of them are going to get to help out. You probably do have a recruiter near by, or not. That creates two possibilities for you. If their is not one, then you can make contact with the closest, tell them you want to do your part to help out the AF & is there anything you can do to support them in that area, including getting brochures around to schools & in general helping get the word out by representing the AF & referring any interested parties over to them. No recruiter is going to turn that down. If you do have one near by, you may find it very helpful to build a relationship with them. They have a lot of resources at their disposal that they can bring to bear if they feel like it's worth their time & effort, but they don't have time to waste or play around. Doig stuff like stuffing envelopes or really a lot of similiar grunt work is massively helpful to them. It's not exciting at all, but it is working right beside an AF NCO & showing them what CAP is all about. They'll be back to big AF soon enough & you'll be sending them on their way to tell the rest of the AF how great CAP is.

[SAR-EMT1]

Offered to assist Local Recruiters...The AF NCO sent us packing - considered CAP cadets and a Senior or two, to be too unprofessional.
The Army NG on the other hand loved us. However the program fell through when I went to college and Im still trying to get it back up.

[DNall]

call the recruiting Sq. It'll be on an AFB & control a decent sized region. Work with them on things you can do that aren't necessarily in the public eye.

[LtCol White]

Another way of improving this is getting more involved in activities around the base for those who are fortunate enough to be near one... Put together FOD teams that can help check the flightline and pick up debris.

Ah, if only it were that easy.... take a look at the AF regulation governing how they can use CAP and how many hoops anybody in the AF has to jump through to "officially" use CAP for anything.  It is not a system designed to be used as you have suggested (though it should be). 

Anyone who's known me for long realizes that I don't hide my willingness to "steal" good ideas when it comes to CAP.

Col White, we've stolen this little nugget of yours and are now in the process of getting our cadets included in some FOD details on McChord.  It was really easy.  We let the chain know what we're up to (Wing CC, State Director, etc.)  Made contact with PAO and the Maintenance Squadron with the help of one of our cadets' military parents.  Now, we're working out the schedule so that our cadets can join up with the Maintenance Squadron during some of their weekly FOD walks. 

Everyone's excited... Cadets because they get to do something "real" with the USAF.  Maintenance Squadron because they get an occasional boost in manpower.  ES-types because it emphasizes basic line-search techniques.  Overall it's a win-win-win.


Excellent idea and not nearly as difficult as some might think.

Great. Im glad this worked out for you. It REALLY is as easy as I have put it and as you have found out. Your cadets will have a ball and feel like they have made a difference.  This site is all about sharing ideas that work for the benefit of improving the program. You'll prob pick up some cadets from the military guys in the units and maybe even some senior members from USAF guys who didnt know you were out there. It also helps give you some real examples of activities you have done to help with recruiting. The cadets will go to school on monday and talk about that they did for their weekend vs what their friends did.

[LtCol White]

How would a cadet that's part of a squadron that doesn't meet on or near an AFB get something like this rolling (we need some good squadron activities)?  Would recommending the idea to a senior member officer usually do the trick?

If there is a base within a few hours of you, you can always try the same approach. Use your wing channels to contact the base PAO and offer FOD assistance as well as ask them "What can we do to help you? We have X # of cadets and seniors." You might be able to make it a multi sq activity or even get it set up as a wing activity. This could help with transp issues if you work with other sq's or if it is a wing activity.