I tried looking in 39-1, but could not find if we can wear our DUI on the cap uniform, I know we can wear military ribbons and badges, but could find specific insignia, thanks
Not authorized. Per the 39-1 if it's not listed then you can't wear it.
You can however, going through channels of course, request permission from National Headquarters to wear it. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
Quote from: PHall on September 04, 2017, 03:15:03 AM
Not authorized. Per the 39-1 if it's not listed then you can't wear it.
You can however, going through channels of course, request permission from National Headquarters to wear it. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
This.
NHQ is the only authority that can authorize the wear of the DUI. If anyone else says that you can wear it they are not correct. Not even the Wing or Region commander has that authority.
I don't see it ever happening. If the AF ever allows combat patches for all, you may have a small shot at a case.
Wait.......the army gives awards for DUIs?? I know some Marines that would have 2nd and 3rd awards >:D >:D >:D
Quote from: stillamarine on September 04, 2017, 03:00:21 PM
Wait.......the army gives awards for DUIs?? I know some Marines that would have 2nd and 3rd awards >:D >:D >:D
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Quote from: Arc light on September 04, 2017, 02:36:23 AM
I tried looking in 39-1, but could not find if we can wear our DUI on the cap uniform, I know we can wear military ribbons and badges, but could find specific insignia, thanks
The DUI or distinctive unit insignia is not an award. Rather, it is a heraldric unit identifier worn on the shoulder loops and on enlisted berets.
The SSI is also a unit identifier. The SSI-FWTS is a combat unit identifier. These are all not awards.
In other words, you are asking to wear what in CAP would be another squadron patch in addition to your current squadron patch.
Wear Army stuff on your Army uni, wear CAP stuff on your CAP uni....keep it simple,son....
Quote from: stillamarine on September 04, 2017, 03:00:21 PM
Wait.......the army gives awards for DUIs?? I know some Marines that would have 2nd and 3rd awards >:D >:D >:D
Must have been in Iwakuni, Japan. They used to give out DUIs like Halloween candy, including to people on bicycles on base. ;D
Quote from: SarDragon on September 04, 2017, 07:26:29 PM
Quote from: stillamarine on September 04, 2017, 03:00:21 PM
Wait.......the army gives awards for DUIs?? I know some Marines that would have 2nd and 3rd awards >:D >:D >:D
Must have been in Iwakuni, Japan. They used to give out DUIs like Halloween candy, including to people on bicycles on base. ;D
True story, I arrested a guy once for Public Intox for riding his bicycle on the interstate, wrong way, in the middle lane. Got to the jail and the magistrate told me if I would have done a SFST on the scene I could have charged him for DUI. I was like.........uh cool.
What is an SFST?
At my age, things that would be "standard" and "common sense" are... forgotten.
I keep thinking and thanking it does not happen. I do not drink, nor use drugs. But I think I would fail a sobriety test because of my physical problems and age.
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on September 05, 2017, 12:40:30 AM
At my age, things that would be "standard" and "common sense" are... forgotten.
I keep thinking and thanking it does not happen. I do not drink, nor use drugs. But I think I would fail a sobriety test because of my physical problems and age.
My bad. We actually take physical abilities into account.
Quote from: Arc light on September 04, 2017, 02:36:23 AM
I tried looking in 39-1, but could not find if we can wear our DUI on the cap uniform, I know we can wear military ribbons and badges, but could find specific insignia, thanks
I'm assuming you are active or reserve in asking this. As a veteran, I'm not sure I'm authorized to wear DUI of my last unit on the occasions I can and do wear my uniform: Memorial Day, Veterans Day, weddings, funerals, etc. When dress blues were dress blues, DUI weren't worn anyway, which made that an easy choice.
Commo
Quote from: Arc light on September 04, 2017, 02:36:23 AM
I tried looking in 39-1, but could not find if we can wear our DUI on the cap uniform, I know we can wear military ribbons and badges, but could find specific insignia, thanks
Nope.
Not authorized.
Or better yet just ask your squadron commander, she is all knowing and omnipotent ::)
Just to offer a bit of clarity on this topic, let me explain what the Op was probably talking about. In the US Army, enlisted Soldiers serving in a specific unit wear the distinctive unit insignia (aka unit crests) of that outfit on their epaulets with the Army Service Uniform. In addition, you have a regimental affiliation. The unit crest of your affiliated regiment is displayed over the right pocket. Combat service and combat service support Soldiers are always affiliated with their corps. (MP, ordnance, medical, quartermaster, etc.) Combat arms Soldiers affiliate with a specific regiment.
As somebody else mentioned, these aren't awards. The SSI-FWTS (combat patch) and the CSIB are two different things. The CSIB is an identification badge. I've been researching it in Air Force regulations and instructions for wear on service dress, but haven't found very clear guidance.
Cheers!
Quote from: Arc light on September 04, 2017, 02:36:23 AM
I tried looking in 39-1, but could not find if we can wear our DUI on the cap uniform, I know we can wear military ribbons and badges, but could find specific insignia, thanks
Missed this the first time around.
Former soldier here. Short version: DUIs are not authorized on the AF uniform, and by extension, the CAP uniform.
The concept of a "unit crest" or "regimental affiliation" would make most "big Blue" folks heads asplode. :)
Quote from: Red 6 on September 21, 2017, 05:26:50 PM
The SSI-FWTS (combat patch) and the CSIB are two different things. The CSIB is an identification badge. I've been researching it in Air Force regulations and instructions for wear on service dress, but haven't found very clear guidance.
I don't think the AFI will ever recognize this distinguishing point between the two. In the AF, a badge is a badge is a badge. People got all spun up about Ranger/SF tabs because the Army has various nomenclature for those kinds of things, but in the AF they're just badges, and subject to the same rules of wear. The only real difference in types of badges as far as the AF is concerned is occupational and duty badges.
Sounds like the new AF OCP guidance (restricted to AFCENT for now) allows wear of combat patches, so maybe in 10 years it'll be allowed AF-wide, and then CAP will have a case.
Quote from: NIN on September 21, 2017, 06:09:20 PM
Quote from: Arc light on September 04, 2017, 02:36:23 AM
I tried looking in 39-1, but could not find if we can wear our DUI on the cap uniform, I know we can wear military ribbons and badges, but could find specific insignia, thanks
Missed this the first time around.
Former soldier here. Short version: DUIs are not authorized on the AF uniform, and by extension, the CAP uniform.
The concept of a "unit crest" or "regimental affiliation" would make most "big Blue" folks heads asplode. :)
And that's without going into the fact that they are called Distinctive Unit Insignia and are not crests at all, from a heraldic standpoint. (The "crest" is the thing that goes at the top of an armorial achievement. Often seen atop a "helm" (helmet) but can also be placed above a "torse" (the twisted rope-looking thing). In CAP, for example, the crest is the eagle on top of everything.
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It matters from a heraldic standpoint that they're not technically crests, but the fact is that generations of Soldiers call them 'unit crests.' (Which in any event, are not authorized on CAP uniforms.)
Quote from: Red 6 on September 21, 2017, 11:40:14 PM
It matters from a heraldic standpoint that they're not technically crests, but the fact is that generations of Soldiers call them 'unit crests.' (Which in any event, are not authorized on CAP uniforms.)
Indeed. Which means that the moment to stop the practice was also generations ago. But, it isn't just in the Army.
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Quote from: Mitchell 1969 on September 21, 2017, 11:20:17 PM
And that's without going into the fact that they are called Distinctive Unit Insignia and are not crests at all, from a heraldic standpoint. (The "crest" is the thing that goes at the top of an armorial achievement. Often seen stop a "helm" (helmet) but can also be placed above a "torse" (the twisted rope-looking thing). In CAP, for example, the crest is the eagle on top of everything.
Bernie, I've known you for a long time. Next time I see you, I'm gonna kick you. :)
Quote from: NIN on September 21, 2017, 11:57:01 PM
Quote from: Mitchell 1969 on September 21, 2017, 11:20:17 PM
And that's without going into the fact that they are called Distinctive Unit Insignia and are not crests at all, from a heraldic standpoint. (The "crest" is the thing that goes at the top of an armorial achievement. Often seen stop a "helm" (helmet) but can also be placed above a "torse" (the twisted rope-looking thing). In CAP, for example, the crest is the eagle on top of everything.
Bernie, I've known you for a long time. Next time I see you, I'm gonna try to kick you. :)
FTFY.
Q asked; Q answered.
The big kids are getting frisky; time to say bye-bye.
Click.