Non-Doctor & Non-Nurse Medical Personnel

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Shuman 14

#120
Quote from: Storm Chaser on March 05, 2015, 04:07:24 AM

Quote from: shuman14 on March 04, 2015, 11:08:17 PM
QuoteThere are no medical staffing problems in any DoD units

Cite please.

Cite that there is.

Really?

I never said there was.

The good COL posted a statement as fact, a fact I am unfamiliar with, as the person making a "Statement of Fact", he needs to cite his source, not the other way around.  ::)
Joseph J. Clune
Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police

USMCR: 1990 - 1992                           USAR: 1993 - 1998, 2000 - 2003, 2005 - Present     CAP: 2013 - 2014, 2021 - Present
INARNG: 1992 - 1993, 1998 - 2000      Active Army: 2003 - 2005                                       USCGAux: 2004 - Present

Shuman 14

Quote from: FW on March 05, 2015, 01:35:33 AM
Quote from: shuman14 on March 04, 2015, 11:08:17 PM
QuoteThere are no medical staffing problems in any DoD units

Cite please.

When it comes to domestic military healthcare, there are numerous studies showing adequate coverage; either thru the AF medical service, or Tri-Care.  There are problems dealing with overseas members.  These shortages are dealt with by civilian facilities augmenting military personnel.  There is a recent GAO study showing that.  CAP is not a realistic option for overseas shortages.
Domestic requirements are met by active duty, reserve, guard, and civilian contractors.  Tri-Care is the military insurance program for military family members, and seems to be working well.  There is no reason for the AF to ask for CAP's help, and why would it?  Current medical personnel and insurance do the trick...

Respectfully Sir, can you provide a link to these studies?

The fact that the USCG needs augmentation from the USCGAux tends to point to the Military, and by default the Public Health Service (they provide the Health Service to the Coast Guard), having a shortfall in providers and personnel to support them. Unless you're saying the Coast Guard isn't Military.
Joseph J. Clune
Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police

USMCR: 1990 - 1992                           USAR: 1993 - 1998, 2000 - 2003, 2005 - Present     CAP: 2013 - 2014, 2021 - Present
INARNG: 1992 - 1993, 1998 - 2000      Active Army: 2003 - 2005                                       USCGAux: 2004 - Present

RiverAux

Quote from: Storm Chaser on March 05, 2015, 01:27:56 PM
That may be because augmenting the Coast Guard is one or their Auxiliary missions. CAP has other important missions and, except for limited instances, augmentation is not one of them.

Actually, as I pointed out earlier, the federal legislative authority for CG Aux augmentation missions is essentially identical to what is found in CAP-related federal law.  Augmentation by CAP is an authorized mission, it is just one that the AF has chosen not to use (except for isolated cases).  That choice is a legitimate one.  No one HAS to use CAP for anything. 

FW

^ River Aux probably gave the best link to what is available.  My research went to a 2011 GAO study which you can Google.  The 2014 references study shows a more current distribution of military medical personnel, and the under supply of some specialties; the oversupply of others.  The study shows a possible shortage of some specialties during wartime deployments; not at home.  Medical needs are supplied by military and civilian personnel, and does not need volunteer augmentation.  Maybe, when there are no funds available to pay for military health care....

USCG personnel can avail themselves of USPHS medical personnel, military hospitals, or civilian facilities if needed.  I have no idea how the USCG Aux augments the USPHS for medical purposes. I do not know how its Aux provides medical augmentation on it's boats and ships.  Then again. We are discussing CAP's Health Service Officers, their function and "recognition" for service.  In that regard, I'm pretty sure there is no need for USAF augmentation.  The home front is well supplied...

Storm Chaser


Quote from: shuman14 on March 05, 2015, 04:07:01 PM
Quote from: Storm Chaser on March 05, 2015, 04:07:24 AM

Quote from: shuman14 on March 04, 2015, 11:08:17 PM
QuoteThere are no medical staffing problems in any DoD units

Cite please.

Cite that there is.

Really?

I never said there was.

The good COL posted a statement as fact, a fact I am unfamiliar with, as the person making a "Statement of Fact", he needs to cite his source, not the other way around.  ::)

So, are you advocating for a solution to a problem you don't know exist?

Quote from: shuman14 on March 05, 2015, 04:12:05 PM
Quote from: FW on March 05, 2015, 01:35:33 AM
Quote from: shuman14 on March 04, 2015, 11:08:17 PM
QuoteThere are no medical staffing problems in any DoD units

Cite please.

When it comes to domestic military healthcare, there are numerous studies showing adequate coverage; either thru the AF medical service, or Tri-Care.  There are problems dealing with overseas members.  These shortages are dealt with by civilian facilities augmenting military personnel.  There is a recent GAO study showing that.  CAP is not a realistic option for overseas shortages.
Domestic requirements are met by active duty, reserve, guard, and civilian contractors.  Tri-Care is the military insurance program for military family members, and seems to be working well.  There is no reason for the AF to ask for CAP's help, and why would it?  Current medical personnel and insurance do the trick...

Respectfully Sir, can you provide a link to these studies?

The fact that the USCG needs augmentation from the USCGAux tends to point to the Military, and by default the Public Health Service (they provide the Health Service to the Coast Guard), having a shortfall in providers and personnel to support them. Unless you're saying the Coast Guard isn't Military.

If you read his post carefully you'll notice he's talking about the Air Force. Or are you now suggesting we should augment the Coast Guard because they may have a legitimate need?

Shuman 14

QuoteOr are you now suggesting we should augment the Coast Guard because they may have a legitimate need?

That's actually not a bad idea!
Joseph J. Clune
Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police

USMCR: 1990 - 1992                           USAR: 1993 - 1998, 2000 - 2003, 2005 - Present     CAP: 2013 - 2014, 2021 - Present
INARNG: 1992 - 1993, 1998 - 2000      Active Army: 2003 - 2005                                       USCGAux: 2004 - Present

supertigerCH

#126
"That may be because augmenting the Coast Guard is one or their Auxiliary missions. CAP has other important missions and, except for limited instances, augmentation is not one of them."

--  Storm Chaser


While this might be true... the CG Aux has its own auxiliary aviation pilots and airplanes, that are able to do just about everything that CAP does, only they do it under the Coast Guard (and therefore primarily tend to focus on coastal & maritime areas).

Somehow while having this well developed (and integrated into the CG) aviation mission, the CG has still found a way to augment their auxiliary into a good number of missions... showing that it is possible.


It all really seems, in the end, to come down to the AF not having the desire for it.   Which is legitimate.  The Air Force's reasons are their own... and they are free to do things the way they want to.  CAP only exists as their auxiliary in the ways that the AF decides that support is wanted/needed.




PHall

The Coast Guard uses their Auxiliary more then the Air Force does simply because they've always have been under funded and had to find ways to stretch their meager funding.
No cost augumentation from their Auxiliary is just one of those ways.