So the way I read CAPR 39-1 is that any black closed towed footwear is approved for wear with the corporate uniform/polo. I'm not aware of anywhere in the reg that says you can't wear western style boots with the corporate polo. Any thoughts on the subject?
I would say that it probalby looks less professional.
4.2.5.1.7. Footwear. Black socks and any plain black shoe or boot are required with this uniform. For description, see paragraph 6.4.
The key phrase in 6.4 is "however, if worn they will be without design." -
6.4. Footwear.
6.4.1. Footwear (Males) – USAF-style. Footwear is required when wearing all uniforms.
6.4.1.1. Socks (black). Socks will be plain without design, clean, and serviceable. Black socks will be worn with low quarters, dress boots and black jungle/combat boots. Plain white socks may be worn under the black socks as long as the white socks are not visible.
6.4.1.2. Low Quarters. Low-quarters are worn with the Mess Dress, Semiformal, Service Dress and Service uniforms (black combat boots and dress boots are also an option with the service dress and service uniform). Shoes will be low quarter, oxford-style, lace-up with a plain rounded toe or a plain rounded-capped toe. Soles will not exceed ½ inch in thickness and the heel will not exceed one inch in height (measured from the inside front of the heel). Shoes will be smooth or scotch-grained leather or manmade material. Shoes will be shined; high gloss or patent finish is optional.
6.4.1.3. Dress Boot. Can be worn with the Service Dress and Service uniforms. If worn, the dress boot sole will be black plain rounded toe or rounded capped toe. A zipper or elastic inserts may be worn; however, if worn they will be without design. The sole will not exceed ½ inch in thickness and heel will not exceed 1-inch in height (measured from the inside front of the heel). High-gloss or patent finish is optional.
6.4.1.4. Boots. Black combat boots will be without design and can be worn with the Service Dress and Service uniforms. They will be highly polished, high gloss or patent leather.
Quote from: wacapgh on March 07, 2023, 09:57:17 PM4.2.5.1.7. Footwear. Black socks and any plain black shoe or boot are required with this uniform. For description, see paragraph 6.4.
The key phrase in 6.4 is "however, if worn they will be without design." -
Quote from: wacapgh on March 07, 2023, 09:57:17 PM4.2.5.1.7. Footwear. Black socks and any plain black shoe or boot are required with this uniform. For description, see paragraph 6.4.
The key phrase in 6.4 is "however, if worn they will be without design." -
[USAF Style stuff]
Except what you quoted is for the Air Force style uniforms, not the corporate style. The paragraph you want for that is 6.4.5.3, which states
QuoteShoes. Black shoes will be plain of a commercial design and without ornamentation such as buckles or straps. If pumps are worn, heels will be no higher than 3 inches.
So as long as his plain black commercially designed cowboy boots don't have straps or buckles or similar ornamentation, he's good to go.
Quote from: Bike123 on March 07, 2023, 08:08:06 PMI would say that it probalby looks less professional.
I would say that depends on what part of the country you are in.
I've seen it done, and I've considered it, but I'll stick with my combat boots or dress shoes.
Quote from: Capmonkey on March 08, 2023, 05:44:47 PMI've seen it done, and I've considered it, but I'll stick with my combat boots or dress shoes.
I have a nice pair of black Wellies that I've worn with my corporates, occasionally. Not often: low quarters with slacks, combat boots with tac pants. Unless its wicked slushy outside and I'm expecting to flood my low-quarters.
Quote from: NIN on March 09, 2023, 05:39:09 PMI have a nice pair of black Wellies that I've worn with my corporates, occasionally. Not often: low quarters with slacks, combat boots with tac pants. Unless its wicked slushy outside and I'm expecting to flood my low-quarters.
When I was a commander, I recommended dress shoes with dress pants or boots with tactical pants as well. My theory was to match the style of pants and shoes. Not that I am legendary for my fashion advice or anything, but most followed my thinking.
Just avoid the spurs and you should be good to go ;D
Real Gs wear chukkas or Chelsea boots with either corporates or blues. 8)
Kentucky Wings IG wore black cowboy boots for years, and sideburns loooong after they had went out of style lol
Quote from: HandsomeWalt_USMC on March 10, 2023, 08:50:36 PMReal Gs wear chukkas or Chelsea boots with either corporates or blues. 8)
Sadly my chukkas are not black. But I do have a nice pair of Chelseas that are black.
Quote from: NIN on March 14, 2023, 03:38:39 AMQuote from: HandsomeWalt_USMC on March 10, 2023, 08:50:36 PMReal Gs wear chukkas or Chelsea boots with either corporates or blues. 8)
Sadly my chukkas are not black. But I do have a nice pair of Chelseas that are black.
Stylish and within regs! Well done sir! 8)
Quote from: NIN on March 14, 2023, 03:38:39 AMQuote from: HandsomeWalt_USMC on March 10, 2023, 08:50:36 PMReal Gs wear chukkas or Chelsea boots with either corporates or blues. 8)
Sadly my chukkas are not black. But I do have a nice pair of Chelseas that are black.
We call those LOX boots in the Navy, and they have steel toes. Lots of people like to wear them, but they are way too wide for me.
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Except what you quoted is for the Air Force style uniforms, not the corporate style. The paragraph you want for that is 6.4.5.3, which states
QuoteShoes. Black shoes will be plain of a commercial design and without ornamentation such as buckles or straps. If pumps are worn, heels will be no higher than 3 inches.
So as long as his plain black commercially designed cowboy boots don't have straps or buckles or similar ornamentation, he's good to go.
[/quote]Ah, but are "boots" actually "shoes" as required by that reg?
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These are the chukkas I wear with service blues. Suitably shined to nearly a mirror finish, of course. I think they make a corfam version, but I prefer real leather and leave the corfams (leather soled models) for mess dress.
Chukkas are always good for those who low quarters just rub the heck out of your ankle bones.
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These are the chukkas I wear with service blues. Suitably shined to nearly a mirror finish, of course. I think they make a corfam version, but I prefer real leather and leave the corfams (leather soled models) for mess dress.
Darn. I may have to become idiosyncratic and start wearing chukkas in service dress.. :)
Quote from: NIN on March 21, 2023, 05:06:25 PMQuote from: HandsomeWalt_USMC on March 15, 2023, 01:11:20 AMBates Chukkas (https://www.galls.com/bates-lites-men-s-leather-padded-collar-chukka?PMOPV1=BLK&PMOPV2=7&PMOPV3=B&PMSRCE=GAPLA&gclid=Cj0KCQjwtsCgBhDEARIsAE7RYh3ewDOzib3togBqG_GaV4Os01cSYwQZVfQwYw7q-BRPP5aVPHaRz7saAiY6EALw_wcB)
These are the chukkas I wear with service blues. Suitably shined to nearly a mirror finish, of course. I think they make a corfam version, but I prefer real leather and leave the corfams (leather soled models) for mess dress.
Darn. I may have to become idiosyncratic and start wearing chukkas in service dress.. :)
In the immortal words of Palpatine: "do it." Sir. Chukka gang we up!😎