New uniforms for the RCAF

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Yesterday was Battle of Britain Day, which the RCAF used to largely undo the years of naval-style gold rank insignia with a return to pre-unification insignia...but not rank titles (Squadron Leader, Wing Commander, etc).  I can see that because in the modern RAF/RAAF/RNZAF a Wing Commander (O-5) usually commands a Squadron and a Squadron Leader (O-4) usually commands a Flight.



How is this relevant to CAP?

The lowest rank is now called "Aviator" (or in French, "Aviateur").  Something maybe to replace "SMWOG?"

[JeffDG]

The left-most officer insignia is for an "Officer Cadet", the "Aviator" is the equivalent of Airman.

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The left-most officer insignia is for an "Officer Cadet", the "Aviator" is the equivalent of Airman.

I was a bit surprised they didn't resurrect Flight Sergeant...some older RCAF guys have told me that Flight Sergeants basically ran the RCAF but let the officers think they did.

RCAirC has an anomalous rank of Flight Corporal.



I think that another reason they probably kept most rank titles as they are is that they are easier to pronounce in French (however, my French is severely limited, so I do not know that for sure).

After all, Major is just Major, while Squadron Leader is commandant d'aviation.

But, with the new two-tier NCO system in CAP, those pursuing NCO rank could be "Aviators" and those pursuing Officer grade could be "Officer Cadet/Candidate."

[Storm Chaser]

The left-most officer insignia is for an "Officer Cadet", the "Aviator" is the equivalent of Airman.

I was a bit surprised they didn't resurrect Flight Sergeant...some older RCAF guys have told me that Flight Sergeants basically ran the RCAF but let the officers think they did.

RCAirC has an anomalous rank of Flight Corporal.



I think that another reason they probably kept most rank titles as they are is that they are easier to pronounce in French (however, my French is severely limited, so I do not know that for sure).

After all, Major is just Major, while Squadron Leader is commandant d'aviation.

But, with the new two-tier NCO system in CAP, those pursuing NCO rank could be "Aviators" and those pursuing Officer grade could be "Officer Cadet/Candidate."

Since we share our grade names and insignias with the U.S. Air Force, I would prefer those pursing NCO grades be called "Airman" and those pursing officer grades be called "Officer Trainee". The only issue with these terms would be, what do we call those senior members who are not pursuing either?

[Eclipse]

The only issue with these terms would be, what do we call those senior members who are not pursuing either?

Former members?

[Private Investigator]

The only issue with these terms would be, what do we call those senior members who are not pursuing either?

Former members?

:clap:

[Panache]

The only issue with these terms would be, what do we call those senior members who are not pursuing either?

Cadet Sponsors?

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Since we share our grade names and insignias with the U.S. Air Force, I would prefer those pursing NCO grades be called "Airman" and those pursing officer grades be called "Officer Trainee". The only issue with these terms would be, what do we call those senior members who are not pursuing either?

Partial agreement...but what senior members are "not pursuing either?"

Aren't they already called "Patron?"

[Storm Chaser]

Since we share our grade names and insignias with the U.S. Air Force, I would prefer those pursing NCO grades be called "Airman" and those pursing officer grades be called "Officer Trainee". The only issue with these terms would be, what do we call those senior members who are not pursuing either?

Partial agreement...but what senior members are "not pursuing either?"

Aren't they already called "Patron?"

Patrons are not active members. There are many active senior members who do not wish to be promoted to 2d Lt or hold any grade. In fact, CAP doesn't require that active members advance in grade.

a. Active Member. A member who regularly attends meetings, performs a specific duty assignment, meets training requirements and participates in the activities of his or her unit. An active member may wear the CAP uniform and compete for grade advancement (see CAPR 35-1, Assignment and Duty Status). (emphasis mine)

[AirAux]

Our last inspection, we got our butt chewed because we have a couple of members that have been with us quite a while and enjoy working with the program and helping out for the cadets sake.  They are not interested in rank.  One could have jumped to 1Lt as she is an RN, but she said no.  Wing thinks we shoudl motivate them...  HOW?

[JeffDG]

Our last inspection, we got our butt chewed because we have a couple of members that have been with us quite a while and enjoy working with the program and helping out for the cadets sake.  They are not interested in rank.  One could have jumped to 1Lt as she is an RN, but she said no.  Wing thinks we shoudl motivate them...  HOW?

None of the inspector's business.  The inspection is to determine regulatory compliance.  No regulatory issue, no butt-chewing.

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Our last inspection, we got our butt chewed because we have a couple of members that have been with us quite a while and enjoy working with the program and helping out for the cadets sake.  They are not interested in rank.  One could have jumped to 1Lt as she is an RN, but she said no.  Wing thinks we shoudl motivate them...  HOW?

Do they wear uniforms?

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Our last inspection, we got our butt chewed because we have a couple of members that have been with us quite a while and enjoy working with the program and helping out for the cadets sake.  They are not interested in rank.  One could have jumped to 1Lt as she is an RN, but she said no.  Wing thinks we shoudl motivate them...  HOW?

Do they wear uniforms?

Does that change the anything?

[PHall]

Ask the "inspector" which reg is being violated by them not promoting.
Should be interesting to hear their answer.

[Storm Chaser]

I know the answer to that one. 

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I wonder if an inspector would question the unit's PDO:

"Hey, why are these people not promoting and/or doing other things to advance their skills?"

[AirAux]

Yep, the PDo, the Commander and the deputy Commander.  Something about the levels not being completed, training tracks not being completed, you know, SOSDD...

[NC Hokie]

I wonder if an inspector would question the unit's PDO:

"Hey, why are these people not promoting and/or doing other things to advance their skills?"

"There are no requirements to promote or participate in PD, but here is what I have done during the last year to encourage them..."

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And, if they're working "for the cadets' sake," it could beg the question "why aren't they enrolled in the CP speciality track?"

[Eclipse]

Our last inspection, we got our butt chewed because we have a couple of members that have been with us quite a while and enjoy working with the program and helping out for the cadets sake.  They are not interested in rank.  One could have jumped to 1Lt as she is an RN, but she said no.  Wing thinks we shoudl motivate them...  HOW?

None of the inspector's business.  The inspection is to determine regulatory compliance.  No regulatory issue, no butt-chewing.

+1 - Inspectors aren't supposed to try and command from the sidelines.

At most this should have been indicated as an AOC.  This issue is a legitimate point, but not for an inspector to
be directly trying to intevene on, much less "butt chew".