CAPR 39-1, 5 March 2020

[PHall]

Wearing the lightweight jacket with civilian clothes is not a problem anymore if you're enlisted in the Air Force since you have to wear sewn on grade insignia on the sleeves.
It's been like that for about 10 years now.

[Eclipse]

That's very nice of you're in the Air Force.

Spin it any way you like, people who know, know.

[Mitchell 1969]

The blue jacket is USAF's to regulate. If they say it can be worn with civilian clothes, and CAP says that any jacket can be worn with a civilian uniform, where is the problem?

39-1 does not say "any jacket", it says "Appropriate civilian outer garments are authorized..."
in all references.

The Lightweight Blue Jacket is not a civilian outer garment.  It is a USAF uniform item.

A USAF uniform item which USAF says can be worn with civilian clothes. Which is what the corporate uniforms are. And since there is no CAP definite of "appropriate civilian outer garment," again, where is the problem, outside of how fine can a hair be split?


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[jb3]

Overall not a bad publication. Plenty of small inconsistencies but I'm sure they will be worked out. I didn't personally contribute to writing the regulation so I don't want to be overly critical of those who put in all the hours.

One thing I've noticed is that CPR patches are listed but there isn't a description of where to wear them. It is not listed with the other patches on page 127 or 128

10.9.20. Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation (CPR) Patch.  May be worn by individuals who have satisfactorily completed CPR training...

[hfriday]

Weird that the new FDU nametags aren't in all caps. I wonder how long it will take VG to get those up and running. As I was just promoted and had too much silver-on-navy sew-on rank but no plastic-encased, I just brought mine down to the local seamstress. Now I just need to NOT get the call until Vanguard makes a link for the new tags!

[xyzzy]

...One thing I've noticed is that CPR patches are listed but there isn't a description of where to wear them. It is not listed with the other patches on page 127 or 128

10.9.20. Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation (CPR) Patch.  May be worn by individuals who have satisfactorily completed CPR training...

I haven't been able to find AHA or Red Cross CPR patches. I suppose you could wear a vintage one if you have it.

[slicek38]

In reviewing the new CAPR-39-1, I saw that the plastic-encased rank/grade insignia and the leather name patch is being phased out for the FDU and the sage green flight jacket. The desert sand colored T-shirt will be worn with the AF style FDU. I also saw that we are going to cloth rank/grade insignia on the FDU along with a cloth name patch/tag on the FDU and FDU jacket. The new cloth name tags will have the member's aeronautical badge, first and last name on it and no rank or CAP on it (except senior member NCOs). However, I haven't found anywhere to order the cloth name patch. Vanguard does not have it listed on their website. Although I suppose they will in due time. Does anyone know where to order the new FDU cloth name tag which meet the new CAP specifications?

[PHall]

In reviewing the new CAPR-39-1, I saw that the plastic-encased rank/grade insignia and the leather name patch is being phased out for the FDU and the sage green flight jacket. The desert sand colored T-shirt will be worn with the AF style FDU. I also saw that we are going to cloth rank/grade insignia on the FDU along with a cloth name patch/tag on the FDU and FDU jacket. The new cloth name tags will have the member's aeronautical badge, first and last name on it and no rank or CAP on it (except senior member NCOs). However, I haven't found anywhere to order the cloth name patch. Vanguard does not have it listed on their website. Although I suppose they will in due time. Does anyone know where to order the new FDU cloth name tag which meet the new CAP specifications?

The reg was just released so ya might want to give Vanguard a couple of months to get up to speed.
Because I'm sure there was absolutely no coordination between National Headquarters and Vanguard before the reg was published.

[Eclipse]

Exactly, how fine a hair to justify something clearly inappropriate.

A USAF uniform item which USAF says can be worn with civilian clothes. Which is what the corporate uniforms are. And since there is no CAP definite of "appropriate civilian outer garment," again, where is the problem, outside of how fine can a hair be split?

The AFI is applicable to people in the Air Force, not CAP.  Further, it indicates
wear of the jacket over civilian clothes, not the CAP uniform.

Again, spin it all you like, but the Corporate Uniforms, despite being often comprised of
civilian components, when worn together, are a uniform.

[Mitchell 1969]

Exactly, how fine a hair to justify something clearly inappropriate.

A USAF uniform item which USAF says can be worn with civilian clothes. Which is what the corporate uniforms are. And since there is no CAP definite of "appropriate civilian outer garment," again, where is the problem, outside of how fine can a hair be split?

The AFI is applicable to people in the Air Force, not CAP.  Further, it indicates
wear of the jacket over civilian clothes, not the CAP uniform.

Again, spin it all you like, but the Corporate Uniforms, despite being often comprised of
civilian components, when worn together, are a uniform.

If you don't like it, don't wear it. But I'm not pursuing this hair splitting conversation any longer.


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[jb3]

...One thing I've noticed is that CPR patches are listed but there isn't a description of where to wear them. It is not listed with the other patches on page 127 or 128

10.9.20. Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation (CPR) Patch.  May be worn by individuals who have satisfactorily completed CPR training...

I haven't been able to find AHA or Red Cross CPR patches. I suppose you could wear a vintage one if you have it.

I would get some Red Cross patches made here in Korea if they are authorized for wear.

[xyzzy]

I would get some Red Cross patches made here in Korea if they are authorized for wear.

If the training were received from the American Red Cross, and one wanted a new patch made in the US, one would have to obtain permission from the American Red Cross. If it were made outside the US, one would probably have to have permission from the American Red Cross to bring it into the US.

[GroundHawg]

...One thing I've noticed is that CPR patches are listed but there isn't a description of where to wear them. It is not listed with the other patches on page 127 or 128

10.9.20. Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation (CPR) Patch.  May be worn by individuals who have satisfactorily completed CPR training...

I haven't been able to find AHA or Red Cross CPR patches. I suppose you could wear a vintage one if you have it.

They dont have to be AHA or ARC. There are now multiple agencies that provide DOT standard of certification in CPR.

"10.9.20. Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation (CPR) Patch. May be worn by individuals who have
satisfactorily completed CPR training, as awarded by a CPR-training agency whose training standards
meet the US Department of Transportation "National Guidelines for First Aid in Occupational Settings".
Patches will only be worn while the member is current. Patch will be appropriate in size and appearance
for the uniform being worn and that authorized by the agency that completed the training."

[kcebnaes]

Did anyone else notice that metal insignia are still allowed on the Corporate Field Uniform (Blue BDU) hats? I am TOTALLY switching to metal insignia to see what happens..

[Майор Хаткевич]

Did anyone else notice that metal insignia are still allowed on the Corporate Field Uniform (Blue BDU) hats? I am TOTALLY switching to metal insignia to see what happens..

BTDT, it's meh.

[kcebnaes]

BTDT, it's meh.

I don't think that I'd spend real money on them, but I know we randomly have a couple laying around the house from a squadron that we closed a ways back. I tried it once, and it was relatively uncomfortable.

[Paul Creed III]

BTDT, it's meh.

I don't think that I'd spend real money on them, but I know we randomly have a couple laying around the house from a squadron that we closed a ways back. I tried it once, and it was relatively uncomfortable.

Yup, the pin-back pokes into one's head.

[Luis R. Ramos]

Just one of several places to order CPR patches.

https://www.allthingsfirstaid.com/first_aid_patches.aspx 

Another place, repeats some of those in the first place but adds more...

[SarDragon]

BTDT, it's meh.

I don't think that I'd spend real money on them, but I know we randomly have a couple laying around the house from a squadron that we closed a ways back. I tried it once, and it was relatively uncomfortable.

Yup, the pin-back pokes into one's head.

Pull the frogs off and bend the pins over. I did that with my Navy caps for years.

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[THRAWN]

BTDT, it's meh.

I don't think that I'd spend real money on them, but I know we randomly have a couple laying around the house from a squadron that we closed a ways back. I tried it once, and it was relatively uncomfortable.

Yup, the pin-back pokes into one's head.

Pull the frogs off and bend the pins over. I did that with my Navy caps for years.

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Doesn't work as well on a patrol cap as it does with a ball cap or even the 8 point cover.