How many people got sent home when you were at your encampment(s)?
We had one go home the first day for going to places he shouldn't go.
I love to hear the story why he/she went home.
The reasons are typically need to know. If you don't, you don't have a need to know.
+1 MYOB
I've seen more cadets (and even more Seniors) kept on at encampment who should've had their bags packed for them than actually sent packing.
One NCR encampment held in your state years ago actually put together a special flight they ended up putting all the cadets that should've been sent home. Most all of them were from one single urban cadet unit from the East side of your state and their unit CC was IIRC either Chief TAC or Commandant of Cadets.
Great, the Flunky Flight, in the Silly Squadron, of the Goofball Group, under the Wacky Wing...
Our wing isn't wacky. My squadron had won the NCC three years ina row.
Quote from: Awesomenesss on October 27, 2014, 12:48:25 AM
Our wing isn't wacky. My squadron had won the NCC three years ina row.
There hasn't
been an NCC for the last two, and previous to that is was basically a contest in which attendance guaranteed
a podium due to lack of interest.
Quote from: Awesomenesss on October 27, 2014, 12:48:25 AM
Our wing isn't wacky. My squadron had won the NCC three years ina row.
And how many Wright Brothers, Mitchell, Earhart, Eaker and Spaatz Awards did your squadron produce during those three years?
Three years in a row, really?
The only Wing that has done that is NJWG, in the early 1990s. Nebraska has never placed a 1st in either NCC category.
Well, maybe it wasnt NCC. But our color guard is one of the best.
Quote from: Awesomenesss on October 27, 2014, 02:35:48 AM
Well, maybe it wasnt NCC. But our color guard is one of the best.
You better checkity-checkity before you wreckity-wreckity. a2capt is from a unit with multiple wing, region and national CG competition wins.
Mine has won a bunch of compitions.
Quote from: Awesomenesss on October 27, 2014, 02:47:02 AM
Mine has won a bunch of compitions.
I think what you mean is not the National Competition, but rather Wing and Region Competitions for NCGC.
2013: NCR had no Drill Team
2013: NCR was NE and placed 6th in Color Guard
2012: NCR was MN and placed 4th for Drill Team
2012: NCR was NE and placed 4th for Color Guard
2011: NCR was MN and placed 7th for Drill Team
2011: NCR was NE and placed 2nd for Color Guard
2010: NCR was MN and placed 7th for Drill Team
2010: NCR was MN and placed 3rd for Color Guard
In fact, Nebraska has never taken first place at the National Cadet Competition:
http://ncsas.com/ncc_winners/ (http://ncsas.com/ncc_winners/)
And it appears, without totally thorough research, that NE-002 has been the unit to send a team to NCC in the years listed.
My Q, for Mr Awesomenesss, is - were you a member of any of those teams? If not, then I think you need to be spending more time refining those skills, and less time on here. Take a closer look at your language skills, too. Those are even more useful as an adult.
Never been to NCC. Know why some cadets were sent home from encampment. At the end of the day, it's not exciting, sometimes sad, and at other times disheartening.
What he said, except for the first statement.
We have a benchmark that we use on whether a cadet should worry about encampment this year, or next.. "If the sum of your stripes plus age is not 15 or greater, you've got plenty of time".
That's not to say we outright refuse to sign paperwork. But statistically, the number that will encounter issues is greater at a lower age and lets save everyone the hassle, heartache and expense.
Well, you people never seen my CG proform so stop talking smack about us. When you see them then come talk to me.
Got a link to some YouTube videos? Parades? NFL games? Flag Ceremonies? Anything?
Quote from: Awesomenesss on October 28, 2014, 04:55:12 AM
Well, you people never seen my CG proform so stop talking smack about us. When you see them then come talk to me.
Jeezy...let me help you out a bit, young brother, before the steel rain starts. First, eliminate the phrase "you people" from your vocabulary. Second, if you're going to come off like a rock star, learn to spell. Third, is it your CG, as in you're on it, or is it your squadron/group/wing CG. I ask because you refer to "my CG" and then say "when you see them...". I'm guessing you're not on it. Otherwise, you would have said something along the lines of "When you see us..." See the difference? Finally, and this is the most important point, this isn't Facething or Myplace, laddie. There are a lot of people on this board, active and lurkers alike, who have more time in this uniform than you have on this planet. When you come here, it is fine to disagree and try to make your point. Debate is a great teaching tool. However, show a little respect for the professionals here.
This thread is one of the reasons I'm frequently disappointed with CAPTalk and so visit here infrequently.
1. Cadet asks a legitimate question about encampment.
2. Senior explains the info is on a "need to know basis," but comes across as curt, perhaps unintentionally.
3. Tangent as to a wacky flight.
4. Cadet defensively says his unit isn't goofy, it's actually strong, especially in color guard.
5. Seniors proceed to beat up cadet over the terminology, because it's unlikely that the cadet's unit won "NCC."
6. Cadet gets even more defensive, which is understandable.
7. Seniors continue piling on.
I'd like to see the adult leaders -- the supposed mentors here -- demonstrate a more charitable tone toward cadets like the OP here. This cadet's "crime" has been to ask a question and to take pride in his or her squadron and wing. Sounds like a good cadet, if not totally correct about the name of the competition his team won.
To answer your question, cadet, maybe 1% to 3% of cadets leave encampment early. Sometimes it's at their request due to a lack of interest. Sometimes it's for misconduct. Sometimes it's health. Sometimes there's been a tragedy at home. A former national commander, Brig. Gen Jay Bobick, told of his father (? IIRC) dying during encampment while Brig. Gen. Bobick was still a cadet, and how the CAP and military staff moved heaven and earth to reschedule a helo flight before the young man went home to be with his family. So, sometimes the reasons for a cadet's departure will become common knowledge, but most of the time, the CAP senior staff keeps that information to themselves out of respect for the cadet's privacy and/or to not "air dirty laundry" in public. If you haven't been to encampment yet, plan on it for next year. If you have, work hard during the off-season and come back on staff next summer. Good luck!
And to answer Captain Hatkevich - I do know a lot more than posted. Yes sir, I do not have the need to know. Although, the said cadet was my best friend at encampment.
Quote from: SamFranklin on October 28, 2014, 01:36:32 PM
1. Cadet asks a legitimate question about encampment.
No, he did not.
Quote from: SamFranklin on October 28, 2014, 01:36:32 PM
I'd like to see the adult leaders -- the supposed mentors here -- demonstrate a more charitable tone toward cadets like the OP here. This cadet's "crime" has been to ask a question and to take pride in his or her squadron and wing. Sounds like a good cadet, if not totally correct about the name of the competition his team won.
The cadet asked an inappropriate, nosy question for no other purpose then morbid curiosity, and when called on it got defensive.
The first two responses (by senior members with relevent experience) were 100% appropriate, even to the point of being supported by CAP's rules regarding investigations and
disciplinary actions.
Exactly. Even as a SM I've been "denied" info on rumors I heard, because of either pending or potential investigation. I've had higher level staff stop me from discussing with them issues, as they wanted to be impartial in any potential investigations as well.
It is what it is. If the info doesn't relate to you, you don't need it.
Quote from: SamFranklin on October 28, 2014, 01:36:32 PM
This thread is one of the reasons I'm frequently disappointed with CAPTalk and so visit here infrequently.
1. Cadet asks a legitimate question about encampment.
2. Senior explains the info is on a "need to know basis," but comes across as curt, perhaps unintentionally.
3. Tangent as to a wacky flight.
4. Cadet defensively says his unit isn't goofy, it's actually strong, especially in color guard.
5. Seniors proceed to beat up cadet over the terminology, because it's unlikely that the cadet's unit won "NCC."
6. Cadet gets even more defensive, which is understandable.
7. Seniors continue piling on.
I'd like to see the adult leaders -- the supposed mentors here -- demonstrate a more charitable tone toward cadets like the OP here. This cadet's "crime" has been to ask a question and to take pride in his or her squadron and wing. Sounds like a good cadet, if not totally correct about the name of the competition his team won.
To answer your question, cadet, maybe 1% to 3% of cadets leave encampment early. Sometimes it's at their request due to a lack of interest. Sometimes it's for misconduct. Sometimes it's health. Sometimes there's been a tragedy at home. A former national commander, Brig. Gen Jay Bobick, told of his father (? IIRC) dying during encampment while Brig. Gen. Bobick was still a cadet, and how the CAP and military staff moved heaven and earth to reschedule a helo flight before the young man went home to be with his family. So, sometimes the reasons for a cadet's departure will become common knowledge, but most of the time, the CAP senior staff keeps that information to themselves out of respect for the cadet's privacy and/or to not "air dirty laundry" in public. If you haven't been to encampment yet, plan on it for next year. If you have, work hard during the off-season and come back on staff next summer. Good luck!
You know, nobody is forcing you to be here. Don't like what you see here, don't log in. It's as simple as that.
And if you have problems with the way this site is run, a PM to the Administrator would be the way to go.
Quote from: SamFranklin on October 28, 2014, 01:36:32 PM
This thread is one of the reasons I'm frequently disappointed with CAPTalk and so visit here infrequently.
1. Cadet asks a legitimate question about encampment.
2. Senior explains the info is on a "need to know basis," but comes across as curt, perhaps unintentionally.
3. Tangent as to a wacky flight.
4. Cadet defensively says his unit isn't goofy, it's actually strong, especially in color guard.
5. Seniors proceed to beat up cadet over the terminology, because it's unlikely that the cadet's unit won "NCC."
6. Cadet gets even more defensive, which is understandable.
7. Seniors continue piling on.
I'd like to see the adult leaders -- the supposed mentors here -- demonstrate a more charitable tone toward cadets like the OP here. This cadet's "crime" has been to ask a question and to take pride in his or her squadron and wing. Sounds like a good cadet, if not totally correct about the name of the competition his team won.
To answer your question, cadet, maybe 1% to 3% of cadets leave encampment early. Sometimes it's at their request due to a lack of interest. Sometimes it's for misconduct. Sometimes it's health. Sometimes there's been a tragedy at home. A former national commander, Brig. Gen Jay Bobick, told of his father (? IIRC) dying during encampment while Brig. Gen. Bobick was still a cadet, and how the CAP and military staff moved heaven and earth to reschedule a helo flight before the young man went home to be with his family. So, sometimes the reasons for a cadet's departure will become common knowledge, but most of the time, the CAP senior staff keeps that information to themselves out of respect for the cadet's privacy and/or to not "air dirty laundry" in public. If you haven't been to encampment yet, plan on it for next year. If you have, work hard during the off-season and come back on staff next summer. Good luck!
Thank you sir
Can everybody stop giving my squadron a bad invaluation. My squadron is the (in my mine mind) best in the NCR. I don't know about everybody else but I wasn't being nosy I just want to see what everybodys encampments were like. So can get back on topic, please and thank you.
Quote from: Awesomenesss on October 29, 2014, 03:48:17 AM
Can everybody stop giving my squadron a bad invaluation. My squadron is the (in my mine mind) best in the NCR. I don't know about everybody else but I wasn't being nosy I just want to see what everybodys encampments were like. So can get back on topic, please and thank you.
Please, if you want to be taken seriously, use spell check.
whatever i quit
Perhaps you should have read better. Then you'd understand the logic behind the post you somehow thought is about your unit.
Quote from: SamFranklin on October 28, 2014, 01:36:32 PM
This thread is one of the reasons I'm frequently disappointed with CAPTalk and so visit here infrequently.
Sam, normally I'd agree with you, but you seem to have missed a few steps. You missed all of the previous thread topics that this cadet posted which unfortunately displayed his brilliant ignorance. You missed all the times that people tried to help him and then received great disrespect from this cadet who has now been in CAP for 5 years and is likely still an NCO (a year ago he had only received 4 awards and was still just an A1c or SrAmn.) He burned a lot of bridges and then changed his username to try and hide from that. So when he came on here asking about what people have gotten sent home from encampment for (which is absolutely no one's business but the parties directly involved) and doing so with the same lack of respect for himself and others, it's understandable that he would be treated the way he was. Could he have been treated better, yes. However, like so many head strong individuals who "know better", this cadet brought this on himself.
Quote from: Awesomenesss on October 26, 2014, 03:48:48 AM
How many people got sent home when you were at your encampment(s)?
We had one go home the first day for going to places he shouldn't go.
I love to hear the story why he/she went home.
Awesomeness...having served on Encampment staffs since 1997, yes -- there have people who went home for one reason or another (Sam Franklin provided many...and I can vouch for the reasons he listed as being much the case). Leaving Encampment is a difficult thing. I can tell you that whether or not a cadet returns home on their own volition or not, it is not a decision that is taken lightly. To have one, "love to hear to hear the story why he/she went home", seems a bit on "the inquiring minds want to know". As someone pointed out, the core value of "respect" comes into play here. Respect the decision of the staff.....and respect the privacy of the cadet who did not complete encampment.
I tried to get the respect back but no one would give to me know so idk what I can do to get it back.
Quote from: Awesomenesss on October 30, 2014, 03:01:09 AM
I tried to get the respect back but no one would give to me know so idk what I can do to get it back.
Respect requires a number of factors. A main factor, if not the largest, is how you present yourself. As this is an internet forum and thus we cannot see you, grammar is important. It is a method of how you present yourself. Therefore, try using readable English as I am not entirely sure what you said.