Now live: http://www.capgoldmedal.com/ (http://www.capgoldmedal.com/)
For those historians and public affairs officers, this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to spread the word about the organization's contribution to the nation with an eye towards the future.
This is great. Very nice to see. I know a lot of work went into that. Your crew is doing a great job.
Nicely done. But, one minor comment - the photo slide show moves along just a bit too fast. It's hard to read the photo captions before the photo changes and I couldn't see any way to slow it down. (When I say "...a bit too fast" I really mean "a bit." Just a few seconds longer would be great).
^^^^+10 for a bit slower
Mike
Quote from: Mitchell 1969 on May 19, 2014, 03:35:50 AM
Nicely done. But, one minor comment - the photo slide show moves along just a bit too fast. It's hard to read the photo captions before the photo changes and I couldn't see any way to slow it down. (When I say "...a bit too fast" I really mean "a bit." Just a few seconds longer would be great).
Please contact NHQ directly with your concerns. I personally provided or helped provide the bulk of the historical content on the site outside of the Volunteer magazine articles, including selecting the photographs and writing the captions on the slide show. I had no input, however, on the website design. If you ask NHQ, they should be able to adjust the slideshow to make it easier to read and enjoy.
House passed the vote.
If half as much energy was spent on getting new missions, or solidifiying relationships with partner agencies as has been spent on this, our planes would never stop flying.
This type of event and confirmation is good for CAP and the membership as a whole. The efforts of those involved, have been happening behind the scenes for about 3-4 years. They have surfaced in the last couple of years because support was growing. This type of thing does not happen in a day and should not been taken lightly.
This is a recognition of effort for the Charter Members of CAP and the sacrifices they made during WWII and beyond. Most of these members have passed and the recognition will be posthumously. The least we can do as members is appreciate what has been done.
Allow these folks to be honored and recognized for their sacrifices without turning it into a political debate.
Quote from: capsafety on May 20, 2014, 04:43:33 PM
This type of event and confirmation is good for CAP and the membership as a whole. The efforts of those involved, have been happening behind the scenes for about 3-4 years. They have surfaced in the last couple of years because support was growing. This type of thing does not happen in a day and should not been taken lightly.
This is a recognition of effort for the Charter Members of CAP and the sacrifices they made during WWII and beyond. Most of these members have passed and the recognition will be posthumously. The least we can do as members is appreciate what has been done.
Allow these folks to be honored and recognized for their sacrifices without turning it into a political debate.
Horse hockey.
It's good for the people who have been "working" on it for the past few years. Instead of working to improve the organization now, they're still feeding the myth of how the little yellow planes beat back the Wolfpack. The founders have been honored, and recognized, and have had units named for them. A CGM? Not really...
Use the networking efforts to develop missions for CAP. Expand programs for Cadets. Increase the viability of the STEM effort. We don't need another dusty bit of metal in a display case that will be forgotten about as soon as it is awarded. Just how is this good for the membership? Without Googling, name one other national organization that has been awarded this medal and how it has benefited it....
Why get your shorts in a bunch?
Someone got it done.....it's done....move on.
If you think you don't have enough work for your unit/wing.....I'm sure your unit/wing is looking for a go-getting Ops Officer to drum some relationships and get some more missions.
As for is this is good thing? Sure...we get some publicity. We get some face time with congress critters. We honor our war time veterans.
What's bad in this equation?
I'd like to think that I know a bit more about CAP's WWII service than the "average" member, but until I read the actual legislation for the CGM (available at the CGM website), I didn't know:
-- 57 subs attacked
-- 82 bombs dropped
-- 363 survivors found
I bet we all know about the 2 possible subs hit, but wow, 82 bombs dropped. Our ancestors were keeping busy.
It takes guts to fly a single-engine aircraft over the open ocean. Add to it the gerry-rigged bomb. Add to it the possibility that some Nazi would take pot shots at you. Fear of capture. Fear in landing with the bomb still attached to your plane.
My only criticism about the CGM is this: We should've worked this project twenty years ago so that more of these great patriots could have been alive to receive this recognition from a grateful nation.
Quote from: lordmonar on May 20, 2014, 06:10:22 PM
Why get your shorts in a bunch?
Someone got it done.....it's done....move on.
If you think you don't have enough work for your unit/wing.....I'm sure your unit/wing is looking for a go-getting Ops Officer to drum some relationships and get some more missions.
As for is this is good thing? Sure...we get some publicity. We get some face time with congress critters. We honor our war time veterans.
What's bad in this equation?
Because getting this thing is being made out to be the greatest thing since squeezable ketchup. We're not getting publicity. Again, without Googling, who else has received this "honor"? Can't? Neither can I, and just about all I watch is CSPAN. Working local and state level missions is fine. But what about the national level missions that require interface with staffers who are busy getting facetime with congresscritters
to get us an award that nobody gives a doggone about....
Quote from: SamFranklin on May 20, 2014, 07:00:48 PM
I'd like to think that I know a bit more about CAP's WWII service than the "average" member, but until I read the actual legislation for the CGM (available at the CGM website), I didn't know:
-- 57 subs attacked
-- 82 bombs dropped
-- 363 survivors found
I bet we all know about the 2 possible subs hit, but wow, 82 bombs dropped. Our ancestors were keeping busy.
It takes guts to fly a single-engine aircraft over the open ocean. Add to it the gerry-rigged bomb. Add to it the possibility that some Nazi would take pot shots at you. Fear of capture. Fear in landing with the bomb still attached to your plane.
My only criticism about the CGM is this: We should've worked this project twenty years ago so that more of these great patriots could have been alive to receive this recognition from a grateful nation.
That's super. It was a war. Bombs got dropped. Yippie.
It takes guts to sail an unarmed merchant ship across the pond to deliver wargoods as well. "Add to it the possibility that some Nazi would take pot shots at you. Fear of capture." Add to it having your ship sunk. Lots of people did lots of crazy brave things during the war. Doesn't justify the time that CAP and Congress have had to spend on this issue. There are bigger issues and this shiny thing is a good distraction from those issues...
I see your point....but then I also see how this CAN be used to use the contacts to develop more missions.
Quote from: THRAWN on May 20, 2014, 07:33:40 PM
That's super. It was a war. Bombs got dropped. Yippie.
This is why we can't have nice things.
It's now a fact that in the judgment of the Congress, including 340+ cosponsors in the House alone, the service of CAP members in WWII is indeed meritorious, is indeed heroism long deserving of recognition, your dissent notwithstanding.
Literally, an act of Congress is passed (pending Mr. Obama's signature) to honor CAP, and yet you are unhappy? Maybe you're in the wrong organization.
Most Americans I've talked with in the past few days reacted with a sincere "Wow," when I told them this story. I'm sorry that you, as a member, do not share the admiration ordinary Americans have for Hugh Sharp, Eddie Edwards, and their patriotic comrades.
If you want to "tell the story", here's a good link:
http://houselive.gov/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=10675&meta_id=706008 (http://houselive.gov/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=10675&meta_id=706008)
I had second thoughts about this as well.
Their service was already recognized, at least for Eddie Edwards.
Didn't he get the Air Medal? To me that is an even higher award than any Congressional Gold Medal.
Need to recognize any other CAP person from that era? Award the Air Medal to those that may end receiving the Gold Medal but were not awarded an AM. A CAP officer? Award the Distinguished Service Cross.
Quote from: THRAWN on May 20, 2014, 07:29:07 PM
Quote from: lordmonar on May 20, 2014, 06:10:22 PM
Why get your shorts in a bunch?
Someone got it done.....it's done....move on.
If you think you don't have enough work for your unit/wing.....I'm sure your unit/wing is looking for a go-getting Ops Officer to drum some relationships and get some more missions.
As for is this is good thing? Sure...we get some publicity. We get some face time with congress critters. We honor our war time veterans.
What's bad in this equation?
Because getting this thing is being made out to be the greatest thing since squeezable ketchup. We're not getting publicity. Again, without Googling, who else has received this "honor"? Can't? Neither can I, and just about all I watch is CSPAN. Working local and state level missions is fine. But what about the national level missions that require interface with staffers who are busy getting facetime with congresscritters to get us an award that nobody gives a doggone about....
So the bad is you perceive that "we" are making this out to be a big thing? Again....what is the bad in this equation? Please name one "national level mission" that is being neglected due to the time put in on this project?
Quote from: SamFranklin on May 20, 2014, 09:11:45 PM
Quote from: THRAWN on May 20, 2014, 07:33:40 PM
That's super. It was a war. Bombs got dropped. Yippie.
This is why we can't have nice things.
It's now a fact that in the judgment of the Congress, including 340+ cosponsors in the House alone, the service of CAP members in WWII is indeed meritorious, is indeed heroism long deserving of recognition, your dissent notwithstanding.
Literally, an act of Congress is passed (pending Mr. Obama's signature) to honor CAP, and yet you are unhappy? Maybe you're in the wrong organization.
Most Americans I've talked with in the past few days reacted with a sincere "Wow," when I told them this story. I'm sorry that you, as a member, do not share the admiration ordinary Americans have for Hugh Sharp, Eddie Edwards, and their patriotic comrades.
That's what I'm thinking too.
Quote from: SamFranklin on May 20, 2014, 09:11:45 PMMost Americans I've talked with in the past few days reacted with a sincere "Wow," when I told them this story.
OK, let's be fair, most Americans have no idea what the CGM even >is<, and they would certainly have no clue as
to why CAP is being decorated, any more then they understand the MOH or the military in general, for that matter.
You were either talking to a stacked demographic or they were just being polite.
Quote from: THRAWN on May 20, 2014, 05:06:48 PM
Quote from: capsafety on May 20, 2014, 04:43:33 PM
This type of event and confirmation is good for CAP and the membership as a whole. The efforts of those involved, have been happening behind the scenes for about 3-4 years. They have surfaced in the last couple of years because support was growing. This type of thing does not happen in a day and should not been taken lightly.
This is a recognition of effort for the Charter Members of CAP and the sacrifices they made during WWII and beyond. Most of these members have passed and the recognition will be posthumously. The least we can do as members is appreciate what has been done.
Allow these folks to be honored and recognized for their sacrifices without turning it into a political debate.
Horse hockey.
It's good for the people who have been "working" on it for the past few years. Instead of working to improve the organization now, they're still feeding the myth of how the little yellow planes beat back the Wolfpack. The founders have been honored, and recognized, and have had units named for them. A CGM? Not really...
Use the networking efforts to develop missions for CAP. Expand programs for Cadets. Increase the viability of the STEM effort. We don't need another dusty bit of metal in a display case that will be forgotten about as soon as it is awarded. Just how is this good for the membership? Without Googling, name one other national organization that has been awarded this medal and how it has benefited it....
Recognition The Congressional Gold Medal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Congressional_Gold_Medal_recipients) is awarded to persons "who have performed an achievement that has an impact on American history and culture that is likely to be recognized as a major achievement in the recipient's field long after the achievement."
Organizations of a national basis include:
Women Airforce Service Pilots
Tuskegee Airmen
American Red Cross
Other groups (all from the linked article):
Montford Point Marines
Navajo and Native American code talkers
Little Rock Nine
1980 US Summer Olympic Team
Members of the United States Antarctic Expedition of 1939-1941
And many individuals, including Bob Hope and John Wayne
Benefit - does there need to be a benefit?
Did you do that without Googling?
As I was not bound by the Google restriction, here's a link to past recipients, including the entire 1980 Olympic team (650 medals).
http://history.house.gov/Institution/Gold-Medal/Gold-Medal-Recipients/ (http://history.house.gov/Institution/Gold-Medal/Gold-Medal-Recipients/)
Quote from: Eclipse on May 20, 2014, 10:28:58 PM
OK, let's be fair, most Americans have no idea what the CGM even >is<, and they would certainly have no clue as
to why CAP is being decorated, any more then they understand the MOH or the military in general, for that matter.
You were either talking to a stacked demographic or they were just being polite.
One doesn't need a PhD in political science to "know" what a CGM is. It's obviously some kind of honor bestowed by the Congress -- our national legislative body, so some kind of prestigious award.
My friends and coworkers had no prior knowledge of the CGM legislative history. No matter, CGM got their attention, enabling me to tell the two minute CAP story. The "wow" followed naturally.
Some here will argue still, So what? What do we get?
"We" don't get anything. Our seniors get long overdue recognition. There's intrinsic value in that.
Only on CAPTalk will one find so many pessimists. Ubi caritas est?
Quote from: SamFranklin on May 21, 2014, 02:10:28 AM
Ubi caritas est?
Right there:
(http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/03/2d/48/4d/carnitas-michoacan.jpg)
Can't wait to see what comes next. First a racecar, now a years long effort to have a paperweight awarded....we should buy a giraffe.....
Quote from: SamFranklin on May 21, 2014, 02:10:28 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on May 20, 2014, 10:28:58 PM
OK, let's be fair, most Americans have no idea what the CGM even >is<, and they would certainly have no clue as
to why CAP is being decorated, any more then they understand the MOH or the military in general, for that matter.
You were either talking to a stacked demographic or they were just being polite.
One doesn't need a PhD in political science to "know" what a CGM is. It's obviously some kind of honor bestowed by the Congress -- our national legislative body, so some kind of prestigious award.
My friends and coworkers had no prior knowledge of the CGM legislative history. No matter, CGM got their attention, enabling me to tell the two minute CAP story. The "wow" followed naturally.
Some here will argue still, So what? What do we get?
"We" don't get anything. Our seniors get long overdue recognition. There's intrinsic value in that.
Only on CAPTalk will one find so many pessimists. Ubi caritas est?
Overdue recognition? Seriously? Have you been in CAP for less than a year? You cant have a CAP conversation without somebody going down the great job CAP did in World War 2. Like it was yesterday and like that effort has never been recognized. This is a happy feelgood project that does nothing to advance CAP. All it does is recognize the past efforts. Again.
Quote from: THRAWN on May 21, 2014, 03:19:05 AM
Quote from: SamFranklin on May 21, 2014, 02:10:28 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on May 20, 2014, 10:28:58 PM
OK, let's be fair, most Americans have no idea what the CGM even >is<, and they would certainly have no clue as
to why CAP is being decorated, any more then they understand the MOH or the military in general, for that matter.
You were either talking to a stacked demographic or they were just being polite.
One doesn't need a PhD in political science to "know" what a CGM is. It's obviously some kind of honor bestowed by the Congress -- our national legislative body, so some kind of prestigious award.
My friends and coworkers had no prior knowledge of the CGM legislative history. No matter, CGM got their attention, enabling me to tell the two minute CAP story. The "wow" followed naturally.
Some here will argue still, So what? What do we get?
"We" don't get anything. Our seniors get long overdue recognition. There's intrinsic value in that.
Only on CAPTalk will one find so many pessimists. Ubi caritas est?
Overdue recognition? Seriously? Have you been in CAP for less than a year? You cant have a CAP conversation without somebody going down the great job CAP did in World War 2. Like it was yesterday and like that effort has never been recognized. This is a happy feelgood project that does nothing to advance CAP. All it does is recognize the past efforts. Again.
WOW!!! Who peed in your wheaties? It is no skin off your back so why are you being sooooooo negative. CAP still has a few members that served on those coastal patrols but they are dwindling daily. And for the most part other than possibly a local gees thanks, got zip in recognition of their efforts/ Even less at a boys for those that died trying to prevent a coastal invasion. I don't believe it is going to "hurt" anyone here to remember the true nuts and bolts history that took place. I for one am very grateful to each and every one of them. They never aspired to greatness just for a shiny medal, they did what they did for love of country. So the Congress awards a gold medal, finally, I ask just what took so long for these people to be awarded the highest CIVILIAN award in the country.
Quote from: spaatzmom on May 21, 2014, 04:03:02 AM
Quote from: THRAWN on May 21, 2014, 03:19:05 AM
Quote from: SamFranklin on May 21, 2014, 02:10:28 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on May 20, 2014, 10:28:58 PM
OK, let's be fair, most Americans have no idea what the CGM even >is<, and they would certainly have no clue as
to why CAP is being decorated, any more then they understand the MOH or the military in general, for that matter.
You were either talking to a stacked demographic or they were just being polite.
One doesn't need a PhD in political science to "know" what a CGM is. It's obviously some kind of honor bestowed by the Congress -- our national legislative body, so some kind of prestigious award.
My friends and coworkers had no prior knowledge of the CGM legislative history. No matter, CGM got their attention, enabling me to tell the two minute CAP story. The "wow" followed naturally.
Some here will argue still, So what? What do we get?
"We" don't get anything. Our seniors get long overdue recognition. There's intrinsic value in that.
Only on CAPTalk will one find so many pessimists. Ubi caritas est?
Overdue recognition? Seriously? Have you been in CAP for less than a year? You cant have a CAP conversation without somebody going down the great job CAP did in World War 2. Like it was yesterday and like that effort has never been recognized. This is a happy feelgood project that does nothing to advance CAP. All it does is recognize the past efforts. Again.
WOW!!! Who peed in your wheaties? It is no skin off your back so why are you being sooooooo negative. CAP still has a few members that served on those coastal patrols but they are dwindling daily. And for the most part other than possibly a local gees thanks, got zip in recognition of their efforts/ Even less at a boys for those that died trying to prevent a coastal invasion. I don't believe it is going to "hurt" anyone here to remember the true nuts and bolts history that took place. I for one am very grateful to each and every one of them. They never aspired to greatness just for a shiny medal, they did what they did for love of country. So the Congress awards a gold medal, finally, I ask just what took so long for these people to be awarded the highest CIVILIAN award in the country.
Because, frankly, it doesn't rate the highest civilian award in the country. Did they do anything to end racial segregation (Montford Popint Marines, Navajo Code Talkers, Tuskegee Airmen, Little Rock 9)? Nope. End gender discrimination (WASPs)? Nope. Provide shelter to citizens at little or no cost during times of disaster (Red Cross)? No again. Did they operate as part of the larger civil defense structure during what was the largest mobilization of the entire population? Yep. The real question is why isn't the rest of the CD establishment being recognized? CAP was a part of that, not the be all and end all....
Quote from: THRAWN on May 21, 2014, 11:30:07 AM
Quote from: spaatzmom on May 21, 2014, 04:03:02 AM
Quote from: THRAWN on May 21, 2014, 03:19:05 AM
Quote from: SamFranklin on May 21, 2014, 02:10:28 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on May 20, 2014, 10:28:58 PM
OK, let's be fair, most Americans have no idea what the CGM even >is<, and they would certainly have no clue as
to why CAP is being decorated, any more then they understand the MOH or the military in general, for that matter.
You were either talking to a stacked demographic or they were just being polite.
One doesn't need a PhD in political science to "know" what a CGM is. It's obviously some kind of honor bestowed by the Congress -- our national legislative body, so some kind of prestigious award.
My friends and coworkers had no prior knowledge of the CGM legislative history. No matter, CGM got their attention, enabling me to tell the two minute CAP story. The "wow" followed naturally.
Some here will argue still, So what? What do we get?
"We" don't get anything. Our seniors get long overdue recognition. There's intrinsic value in that.
Only on CAPTalk will one find so many pessimists. Ubi caritas est?
Overdue recognition? Seriously? Have you been in CAP for less than a year? You cant have a CAP conversation without somebody going down the great job CAP did in World War 2. Like it was yesterday and like that effort has never been recognized. This is a happy feelgood project that does nothing to advance CAP. All it does is recognize the past efforts. Again.
WOW!!! Who peed in your wheaties? It is no skin off your back so why are you being sooooooo negative. CAP still has a few members that served on those coastal patrols but they are dwindling daily. And for the most part other than possibly a local gees thanks, got zip in recognition of their efforts/ Even less at a boys for those that died trying to prevent a coastal invasion. I don't believe it is going to "hurt" anyone here to remember the true nuts and bolts history that took place. I for one am very grateful to each and every one of them. They never aspired to greatness just for a shiny medal, they did what they did for love of country. So the Congress awards a gold medal, finally, I ask just what took so long for these people to be awarded the highest CIVILIAN award in the country.
Because, frankly, it doesn't rate the highest civilian award in the country.
Senator McCain? Is that you?
Quote from: spaatzmom on May 21, 2014, 04:03:02 AMSo the Congress awards a gold medal, finally, I ask just what took so long for these people to be awarded the highest CIVILIAN award in the country.
Can someone cite a source that defines that the CGM is the highest civilian award?
I thought it was the Presidential Medal of Freedom (with distinction)
Quote from: THRAWN on May 21, 2014, 11:30:07 AM
Because, frankly, it doesn't rate the highest civilian award in the country.
That would be the Presidential Medal of Freedom with Distinction.
QuoteDid they do anything to end racial segregation (Montford Popint Marines, Navajo Code Talkers, Tuskegee Airmen, Little Rock 9)? Nope. End gender discrimination (WASPs)? Nope. Provide shelter to citizens at little or no cost during times of disaster (Red Cross)? No again. Did they operate as part of the larger civil defense structure during what was the largest mobilization of the entire population? Yep. The real question is why isn't the rest of the CD establishment being recognized? CAP was a part of that, not the be all and end all....
That's a good question. Maybe the CD alumni organization should ask for one.
The CGM is the highest civilian award that Congress can present, just as the PMF is the highest
one POTUS can present, they are considered somewhat equals in status.
However the only cites I can find to that effect are Wikipedia or similar articles.
From the House.gov site posted above.
"Since the American Revolution, Congress has commissioned gold medals as its highest expression of national appreciation for distinguished achievements and contributions."
If I am not mistaken, CAPR 39-3 states that "only one award will be presented for each act" or some similar words.
If you were awarded the Air Medal or any other award for your WW II service and are now given this second award, you are getting two awards for the same act...
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on May 21, 2014, 02:37:51 PM
If I am not mistaken, CAPR 39-3 states that "only one award will be presented for each act" or some similar words.
If you were awarded the Air Medal or any other award for your WW II service and are now given this second award, you are getting two awards for the same act...
Respectfully, an Act of Congress overrides a CAP Regulation. I cite Article VI of the US Constitution as a source for this.
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on May 21, 2014, 02:37:51 PM
If I am not mistaken, CAPR 39-3 states that "only one award will be presented for each act" or some similar words.
If you were awarded the Air Medal or any other award for your WW II service and are now given this second award, you are getting two awards for the same act...
There is a difference in type and organization for instance you could receive a lifesaving award from the Boy Scouts and an award for CAP. Also using that logic no one who earned an award for valor could wear the National Defense Service Ribbon, which is given for service during wartime.
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on May 21, 2014, 02:37:51 PM
If I am not mistaken, CAPR 39-3 states that "only one award will be presented for each act" or some similar words.
If you were awarded the Air Medal or any other award for your WW II service and are now given this second award, you are getting two awards for the same act...
Not quite. There is a distinction between an award for an individual act, and an award for a period of service.
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on May 21, 2014, 02:37:51 PM
If I am not mistaken, CAPR 39-3 states that "only one award will be presented for each act" or some similar words.
If you were awarded the Air Medal or any other award for your WW II service and are now given this second award, you are getting two awards for the same act...
Does not apply.......39-3 only applies to CAP awards......nothing stopping other agencies from issuing other awards.
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on May 21, 2014, 02:37:51 PM
If I am not mistaken, CAPR 39-3 states that "only one award will be presented for each act" or some similar words.
If you were awarded the Air Medal or any other award for your WW II service and are now given this second award, you are getting two awards for the same act...
The military has the same rule according the manual of decorations, however distinctions are made between awards made for an act (i.e. Silver Star); for being there (Campaign Medal); and for something that happened to you (Purple Heart or POW Medal).
All of you have stated differences among the organizations and regulations. Nevertheless, if it had been me who had earned the award from the military for WW II service I would have felt the Gold Medal is... meaningless. And now let me duck again so as not get hit by another barrage of regulations!
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on May 21, 2014, 07:51:32 PM
All of you have stated differences among the organizations and regulations. Nevertheless, if it had been me who had earned the award from the military for WW II service I would have felt the Gold Medal is... meaningless. And now let me duck again so as not get hit by another barrage of regulations!
It's a coaster, or as my lovely bride would say "More cr*p to dust..."
Found this little gem while looking at the Air Force website:
http://www.af.mil/News/Photos.aspx?igphoto=2000796736 (http://www.af.mil/News/Photos.aspx?igphoto=2000796736)
So it was signed today - anyone have a photo? All I can find is the Doolittle Medal signing.
Also, showing my lack of schooling.
It was HR 755 and S 309, but what is it once it's been passed by both houses and goes for signing into law?
Is that when it becomes a bill? Does it get a different number?
Bill doesn't say...
Schoolhouse Rock: America - I'm Just a Bill Music Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFroMQlKiag#)
I found it interesting, and thanks for the link to the book.
Attached is a copy of "An Act to To award a Congressional Gold Medal to the World War II members of the Civil Air Patrol." It carries the number of the Senate bill, S.309.
Also attached are copies of the Congressional Record of both chambers when each passed the bill.
Mike
Quote from: THRAWN on May 21, 2014, 03:13:34 AM
Can't wait to see what comes next. First a racecar, now a years long effort to have a paperweight awarded....we should buy a giraffe.....
I'm one of CAP, Inc's biggest critics here. That said (with my apologies to MIKE in advance), STFU.
The effort was worth it. A lot of folks gave up a lot back then to help in the war effort with little recognition at the time or afterward and few of them asked for it. When you can up and quit your job, go do the missions they did to help the war effort with no pay for 4 years straight you can talk, until then keep your trap shut.
FWIW we have one member of CAP for whom this will be his second CGM.
Quote from: sardak on May 31, 2014, 12:28:09 AM
Attached is a copy of "An Act to To award a Congressional Gold Medal to the World War II members of the Civil Air Patrol." It carries the number of the Senate bill, S.309.
Also attached are copies of the Congressional Record of both chambers when each passed the bill.
Mike
While there was a house "companion bill" to the S.309, the one the House took up and passed was the Senate bill. Eventually, it will receive a "PL" number (Public Law), but that designation hasn't happened yet.
Quote from: Johnny Yuma on June 02, 2014, 11:18:03 AM
Quote from: THRAWN on May 21, 2014, 03:13:34 AM
Can't wait to see what comes next. First a racecar, now a years long effort to have a paperweight awarded....we should buy a giraffe.....
I'm one of CAP, Inc's biggest critics here. That said (with my apologies to MIKE in advance), STFU.
The effort was worth it. A lot of folks gave up a lot back then to help in the war effort with little recognition at the time or afterward and few of them asked for it. When you can up and quit your job, go do the missions they did to help the war effort with no pay for 4 years straight you can talk, until then keep your trap shut.
FWIW we have one member of CAP for whom this will be his second CGM.
I'd be more inclined to agree with you if the membership was not being solicited for funds from the National Office. If this is what NHQ felt was the priority to use our funds for (and I have no problem with that, people should be recognized for service), then don't come back to the membership for more money. It is the entire purpose of having a budget, set priorities to expend the resources you have.
Quote from: Johnny Yuma on June 02, 2014, 11:18:03 AM
Quote from: THRAWN on May 21, 2014, 03:13:34 AM
Can't wait to see what comes next. First a racecar, now a years long effort to have a paperweight awarded....we should buy a giraffe.....
FWIW we have one member of CAP for whom this will be his second CGM.
This is the second CGM for several people, both Tuskegee Airmen and former WASPs.
Bump
http://www.coinnews.net/2014/09/26/cap-congressional-gold-medal-design-candidates/ (http://www.coinnews.net/2014/09/26/cap-congressional-gold-medal-design-candidates/)
The CFA version should be the selection.
(http://www.coinnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Congressional-Gold-Medal-Design-Candidate-CAP-O-15-240x310.jpg) (http://www.coinnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Congressional-Gold-Medal-Design-Candidate-CAP-R-04-240x310.jpg)
This is a coin that is supposed to honor WWII CAP vets, so no modern indices should be used, nor bold emphasis on the year.
Most of the rest are too busy, or inappropriate for this type of usage.
So much MS Paint...my eyes...the goggles do nothing....
(http://www.coinnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Civil-Air-Patrol-Congressional-Gold-Medal-Design-Candidates.jpg)
Agreed. As a coin collector this is exciting (I mean real coins, not challenge coins), but once I saw the ones with the "modern" designs, I felt they were out of place. I hope the decision makers feel the same way.