Georgia encampment 2010

[Spaceman3750]

and we are now starting to train for encampment

Train for encampment?

[DC]

Yeah.... You really shouldn't need any special training for encampment, just know how to drill, wear your uniform and say "Yes Sergeant!".

I have always given my cadets going to encampment a breifing on what to expect, what to pack (i.e. everything on the list and nothing that isn't) and some tips on how to get through it. Nothing fancy though, just a 20 minute talk / Q&A.

[Eclipse]

Yeah.... You really shouldn't need any special training for encampment, just know how to drill, wear your uniform and say "Yes Sergeant!".

+1

An encampment's purpose is to enhance and extend the regular training already being provided as a matter of course during your
regular unit operations.

A proper Curry cadet is prepared for the situation, "extra" never hurt anyone, but it you find you need to change much to "get ready" for encampment, you're likely missing things every week.

[Eclipse]

well its been a while since i posted here and only 7 cadets r going now  

Captalk is not a very good barometer of participation in anything but CAPTalk, and further the cadet population is fairly low.

If there's an encampment, it'll have more than 7 cadets, promise.

[DakRadz]

GAWG Encampment- JUN27-JUL3 for basics/doolies/dooleys
Projected numbers 120-150 basic cadets
Several FLWG units/cadets expected

Do NOT arrive at encampment with sleeves rolled, per Army regs. Sleeves will not be rolled for the duration of the encampment.
If you or someone you know wears contacts, make sure glasses are brought; contacts cannot be worn during several activities at the beginning of each day as they involve Army equipment/facilities- if you decide you'd rather wear contacts and forego this training, I honestly don't believe you'll graduate encampment.
I've only got so much info.. I think that covers it, for allowable announcements. I know mine are appropriate because I'll be a doolie/dooley, so no one tells me the secret squirrel files 

gawgencampment.com
^ Link is completely unrelated, as it is an advertisement for inkjet printers or something of that nature.
Any other questions, I'll see if I can answer, and the others will rescue me if I don't know 

[capchiro]

Where did you get your info about the sleeves and contact lenses??

[DakRadz]

Sir, my DCC is a TAC officer (TACO, hehehe). She was part of a 2(?) hour long conference call when all staff were advised of these changes. They are fairly recent and only released to certain persons- I only know of the encampment staff being told, but perhaps Sqd. CCs were sent emails? I honestly don't know.

I do know the accuracy of the information is spot-on 100%.

BDUs are UV protected, designed for airflow. The big thing is having the sleeves down for sun-protection purposes. But they must be down for the duration of the encampment, to INCLUDE arrival.

Contact lenses not being worn is an Army requirement, due to unpleasant incidents which our CC shared with us- definitely warranted.

[exFlight Officer]

http://gawg.cap.gov/encampment2010/Encampment%20Guide%20for%20website.pdf

[capchiro]

Well, I am a Sq. CO and I didn't receive any info about the contacts.  Some cadets may wear contacts and not even have any eyeglasses..   If this is truly SOP, someone should be making it known to everyone.. The 2010 Guide posted above doesn't mention it..  If this is a safety problem, we need to know something official.

[DakRadz]

I understand that sir, I just thought I'd give a heads-up out of courtesy. I don't believe glasses are required, just contacts prohibited during that part of the day. Even without glasses I'm sure cadets could participate.

I agree with you sir, I'm just not actually on staff. I would NOT post disinformation, however- what I have posted is what I was told. My squadron is listed, so if you'd like to get me 2B'd...

Really, though, I'm not sure why this wasn't widely spread to ensure maximum awareness/compliance, but I wanted to help if I could.

The reasoning our CC shared for no contacts was that apparently some soldiers had been in the field with contacts; the sun dried out their eyes/contacts, and when removing the contacts they would also remove their cornea due to the lack of fluid... Shudders
YMMV on that particular incident, but during the land-nav, obstacle course, and range time (all during the beginning of the day) no contacts allowed.

[davidsinn]

I understand that sir, I just thought I'd give a heads-up out of courtesy. I don't believe glasses are required, just contacts prohibited during that part of the day. Even without glasses I'm sure cadets could participate.

I agree with you sir, I'm just not actually on staff. I would NOT post disinformation, however- what I have posted is what I was told. My squadron is listed, so if you'd like to get me 2B'd...

Really, though, I'm not sure why this wasn't widely spread to ensure maximum awareness/compliance, but I wanted to help if I could.

The reasoning our CC shared for no contacts was that apparently some soldiers had been in the field with contacts; the sun dried out their eyes/contacts, and when removing the contacts they would also remove their cornea due to the lack of fluid... Shudders
YMMV on that particular incident, but during the land-nav, obstacle course, and range time (all during the beginning of the day) no contacts allowed.

You realize that it could be dangerous to be without contacts if they don't have glasses? You might want to have your TAC send that up her chain. That and if you wear contacts chances are you would have a hard time hitting something as big as the earth with a rifle without them.

[DakRadz]

I do believe it's all blanks that we'll be shooting, and yes I see the point (with my glasses on, and I get the puns).

I'm really confused why this wasn't sent *down* the chain in the first place. But alas. I'll talk to Lt. about it. Literature really should be out to everyone...
See, I'm ready to be on staff 

[davidsinn]

I do believe it's all blanks that we'll be shooting, and yes I see the point (with my glasses on, and I get the puns).

I'm really confused why this wasn't sent *down* the chain in the first place. But alas. I'll talk to Lt. about it. Literature really should be out to everyone...
See, I'm ready to be on staff 

Blanks? That's a complete waste of time and powder. I wouldn't even get out of my bunk for blanks. Of course I normally shoot at ranges of 500+ yards

[MIKE]

Bust'n caps is bust'n caps.  How often does a CAPer get trigger time on an M-16, M-4 or M-249...

[davidsinn]

Bust'n caps is bust'n caps.  How often does a CAPer get trigger time on an M-16, M-4 or M-249...

I believe in quality training, not making noise just to make noise. NTC Great Lakes has a laser sim range that gives a pretty good idea of what it's like to handle the weapons plus you get to put "holes" in "paper" to see how you compare to other cadets. I was a TAC at GLR south in '07 and they had a similar thing except with pneumatic recoil. I became popular with the cadet exec staff because I was in a sitting position ripping off a 10 rd mag in 5 secs and still out shooting the C/XO who was prone and taking careful aim. That's a much better bonding experience for young cadets than popping off blanks because a little healthy competition is good for a team.

[DakRadz]

I said I SHOULD be on staff- I can't provide answers to even the best of questions unless I've thought of them first. I didn't consider that point.. So, ask a GAWG SM who is on encampment staff? If you know/can find one.

[DakRadz]

GAWG Encampment starts Sunday!!!!!

So tomorrow will be my last day on here for over a week- I doubt I'll spend time on here on the 4th of July!

Looking forward to meeting new people, and if all goes as planned, I have an encampment to complete and 53 days to go until my Mitchell!

Hopefully while I'm gone my service cap and airsoft pistol will arrive. 

[FlyTiger77]

Do NOT arrive at encampment with sleeves rolled, per Army regs.

The Army has no uniform in common with CAP of which I am aware, so, notwithstanding the fact that AR 670-1 (Wear and Appearance of Army Uniforms and Insignia) does not even apply to CAP*, I doubt the Army cares if a CAP member wears his sleeve's up, sleeve's down or if he even cuts the sleeve's off.

Wearing contacts is not advisable when CS is to be used or in extremely dusty or field environments.

Have fun at the encampment.


*Applicability. This regulation applies to active and retired Army, Army National Guard of the United States (ARNGUS) and U.S. Army Reserve (USAR) personnel. It does not apply to generals of the Army, the Chief of Staff of the Army, or former Chiefs of Staff of the Army, each of whom may prescribe his or her own uniform. It applies to the Reserve Officers Training Corps and the Corps of Cadets, U.S. Military Academy, only when their respective uniform regulations do not include sufficient guidance or instruction. During mobilization, the proponent may modify chapters and policies contained in this regulation. (AR 670-1, 3 Feb 05, page i)

[DakRadz]

DISCLAIMER:
I am now spouting my OWN OPINIONS with no basis in hard fact or citations- if you can provide documentation to refute these opinions, DO, PLEASE!! No sarcasm intended- I am supplying these opinions mixed with hearsay in order to provide fuel for a debate which could hopefully end my own and others confusion with these regs/announcements/whatever.

First off, contacts are banned during the times we'll be in those environments, so I suppose that's decided.

Was that the policy for Army BDUs when they had them? That sleeves were down in the field? I only know what I was told: "BDUs are designed to protect from UV rays and to provide airflow, so during encampment you will wear sleeves down" -My DCC, a GAWG Encampment TAC officer. Paraphrased, of course.
It's a safety issue, making sure cadets don't get burnt. As long as we're hydrated, the BDUs do provide airflow, so we shouldn't be overheated if all other protocols are followed- even if the reasoning provided by the upper echelons is faulty, the basic logic is sound, I think.

[Top Dawg]

Would the guide position be assigned to cadets? This is my first year, and I'm a C/SSgt