What about hazing?

[mrcadet]

I think all the "hazing" C.A.P. is kind of silly and not allowing us to discipline the cadets what do you think?

[jeders]

I think that you should use the search function as this topic has been well beaten. I also think that if you need to do something that is considered hazing in CAP to discipline a cadet, you're not a very good leader and need to reevaluate yourself.

[Eclipse]

Yep.

[mikebank]

There is a lot of difference between hazing and discipline...

[manfredvonrichthofen]

Hazing is unnecessary, unprofessional, and is the trademark of a horrible leader. You do not need to have your people do pushups or any thing of the sort.

Leadership is the process of influencing others to achieve a common objective goal or mission.

Beating or smoking your joes is a really good way to go in the opposit direction. Go ahead and keep that mentality and see how far it gets you, not just in CAP, but in the real world. In the Army it's likely to land a grenade in your fox hole, not inspire great performance.

[FlyTiger77]

If the only tool in your toolbox is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

As a leader, you need to develop a robust toolbox and it is a never-ending, on-going process.

Hazing, even as strictly defined by CAP, has no place in that toolbox.

[PHall]

You guys get on the internet much?

Because you seem to have fallen for a classic TROLL tactic.

Make an outrageous post and sit back and watch the fireworks...

[a2capt]

If by discipline you mean your only leadership style is to go FMJ on someone, then .. leadership by terror ... isn't leadership.

It's pathetic.

Sure, there's a time and place for being upset, and speaking your mind, but it's not going to solve a thing when dealing with the issues at hand. So what good is it? Troll food. That's it.

[SarDragon]

Tick-tock. Tick-tock. Tick-tock. 

[Extremepredjudice]

http://qkme.me/3p341o

[jimmydeanno]

Good example of why we have an anti-hazing policy: http://mobile.nytimes.com/article;jsessionid=E559B5AB9B19E941EEEBF9E9E9987387.w6?a=945887&f=19

[PHall]

Good example of why we have an anti-having policy: http://mobile.nytimes.com/article;jsessionid=E559B5AB9B19E941EEEBF9E9E9987387.w6?a=945887&f=19

Okay, I'll bite.  What's "anti-having"?

[jimmydeanno]

Good example of why we have an anti-having policy: http://mobile.nytimes.com/article;jsessionid=E559B5AB9B19E941EEEBF9E9E9987387.w6?a=945887&f=19

Okay, I'll bite.  What's "anti-having"?

Anti-hazing policy.  Phone autocorrect and all that.

[PHall]

Good example of why we have an anti-having policy: http://mobile.nytimes.com/article;jsessionid=E559B5AB9B19E941EEEBF9E9E9987387.w6?a=945887&f=19

Okay, I'll bite.  What's "anti-having"?

Anti-hazing policy.  Phone autocorrect and all that.

You know, REAL MEN don't use autocorrect.

[mrcadet]

i said "hazing"     "        "    i dont mean famu hazing im talking about CAP hazing

[Eclipse]

i said "hazing"     "        "    i dont mean famu hazing im talking about CAP hazing

There isn't a single difference.  Hazing is hazing.

[manfredvonrichthofen]

Hazing is hazing, if it is not welcome... And hazing is not acceptable in a professional environment.

[AngelWings]

If you want to haze others, by tradition, YOU have to be hazed. Come to my squadron, I would be glad to administer it. You have to sign a hold harmless before attending and proof of medical insurance with your card on you at all times.

[SarDragon]

Is that ticking I hear in the background?

[bflynn]

If you want to haze others, by tradition, YOU have to be hazed. Come to my squadron, I would be glad to administer it. You have to sign a hold harmless before attending and proof of medical insurance with your card on you at all times.

Doesn't work.  Consent to be hazed still doesn't permit it.  There are grey areas, but this isn't one of them.