Another possibly dumb question

[Eeyore]

I am a SMWOG and I have seen other SMWOG wearing the grey epaulet loops that are blank as well as SMWOG not wearing any epaulet loops. I looked through CAPM 39-1 and am even more confused.

Do SMWOG wear blank grey epaulet loops or do they not wear them at all? If they do wear them where can I find them?

Vanguard doesn't seem to have them on their site, if they do, that site is such a cluster that it is nearly impossible to find them.

[MIKE]

They were for SM NCOs, not SMs without grade.

[Eeyore]

Thanks for the quick response, I was just confused because our Region PAO wears them and she is a SMWOG.

I have no clue how someone that has no CAP experience becomes the Region PAO. Must be one of those CAP political decisions.

[afgeo4]

I'm not sure how a region HQ allows one of their staffers (even a SMWOG) to wear the uniform improperly. Especially someone who's supposed to represent us to the public.    That's very, VERY dissapointing and you should correct her when/if you have the chance to.

The proper wear is no epaulets. Blank epaulets are for NCOs.

[RiverAux]

In the past Region PAOs were non-entities since Wing and even squadron PAOs are authorized to deal with NHQ PA directly.  However, there is more and more of a move to make Regions "operational" units directing multi-Wing missions and a non-CAP experienced PAO in the Region slot could be a bad thing.

[Eeyore]

Apparently the experience of being a free lance reporter was enough.

[CadetProgramGuy]

Naaahhhh.  This is the dumb question.....SMWOG?

[mikeylikey]

Naaahhhh.  This is the dumb question.....SMWOG?

Senior Member With Out Grade

[CadetProgramGuy]

Naaahhhh.  This is the dumb question.....SMWOG?

Senior Member With Out Grade

And the resounding sound of hand smacking the forehead......

THX

[Pylon]

I am a SMWOG and I have seen other SMWOG wearing the grey epaulet loops that are blank as well as SMWOG not wearing any epaulet loops. I looked through CAPM 39-1 and am even more confused.

Do SMWOG wear blank grey epaulet loops or do they not wear them at all? If they do wear them where can I find them?

Vanguard doesn't seem to have them on their site, if they do, that site is such a cluster that it is nearly impossible to find them.

Welcome to CAP (or perhaps just welcome to senior membership).  As was mentioned above, CAPM 39-1 prescribes CAP cutouts on the collar (metal on Blues, sewn-on blue embroidered ones for BDUs) for SMWOG. 

Unfortunately, our uniform manual is very often obtuse or confusing on issues.  One day (we hope) it will be much more clear.   

[Eeyore]

That's what I had thought. I was a cadet back in '97 and went inactive for a number of years. I thought it would be fun to get back into it now that I am an adult and may have something more to offer to a program that I loved as a kid.

I was told that I was wrong at an SLS. Turns out that I was being corrected by someone that was in the wrong themselves.

[ELTHunter]

there is more and more of a move to make Regions "operational" units directing multi-Wing missions and a non-CAP experienced PAO in the Region slot could be a bad thing.

Oh God, tell me that's not so.  Currently the best thing about a Region command is they don't do anything operationally and pretty much keep out of things, thereby not screwing anything up too much.

[JC004]

Your problem is that someone set a bad example for you, but this board is helpful.  Use it lots.

[SAR-EMT1]

I want to know how anyone without even Lvl One and 2nd Lt. bars can even be considered, much less approved for a position such as PAO - Especially a REGION PAO !

[Eeyore]

Oh the politics of CAP. Maybe SWR was just really desperate for someone.

[SarDragon]

I want to know how anyone without even Lvl One and 2nd Lt. bars can even be considered, much less approved for a position such as PAO - Especially a REGION PAO !

And how did you determine that the SMWOG had not completed Level I?

[SAR-EMT1]

I want to know how anyone without even Lvl One and 2nd Lt. bars can even be considered, much less approved for a position such as PAO - Especially a REGION PAO !

And how did you determine that the SMWOG had not completed Level I?

Becuase one attains 2nd Lt upon completion of Level One?

[ColonelJack]

[Becuase one attains 2nd Lt upon completion of Level One?

Actually, one is eligible for 2nd Lt upon completion of Level I.  It's not automatic, as I recall.

Jack

[DeputyDog]

[Becuase one attains 2nd Lt upon completion of Level One?

Actually, one is eligible for 2nd Lt upon completion of Level I.  It's not automatic, as I recall.

Jack

There is also the issue of the six month "time-in-grade" requirement for second lieutenant. One is eligible after completing six months TIG as a SMWOG (or as a CAP NCO) and completing Level I.

Most new senior members (*officers) in my group complete Level I within a few weeks of joining. Then they wait for five and a half months before becoming eligible for second lieutenant.

[acarlson]

In the past Region PAOs were non-entities since Wing and even squadron PAOs are authorized to deal with NHQ PA directly.  However, there is more and more of a move to make Regions "operational" units directing multi-Wing missions and a non-CAP experienced PAO in the Region slot could be a bad thing.

Please provide your definition of "non-entities"