Armed CAP Members

[lordmonar]

With 50 states, one territory, on federal district, hundreds of counties and thousands of cities......and loose interpetation of the laws/regs.....I am 99.999% positive that someone out there convinced his wing commander that he needed to carry 24/7.

Or else they would never had made that change to the regulation in the first place (it was only a couple of years ago).

But like many other things in CAP......there is no way to pull up that data.....and for the most part the individuals involved probably don't go around advertising it.

[RiverAux]

If I was CAP NHQ, I would probably want to have a file of letters of authorization to carry while on CAP duty that were issued by Wing Commanders.  If for no other reason than to know how big an issue that this actually is. 

[lordmonar]

You would think....but that is not how the regulation is written.

It only says you need written authorisation from the wing king....that could be a simple e-mail.

TO: Wing King
From: Joe Blow, CAP and Police Officer,

Boss, Can I carry my duty weapon?

TO: Joe
From: Wing King

Yes.

[davidsinn]

With 50 states, one territory, on federal district, hundreds of counties and thousands of cities......and loose interpetation of the laws/regs.....I am 99.999% positive that someone out there convinced his wing commander that he needed to carry 24/7.

Or else they would never had made that change to the regulation in the first place (it was only a couple of years ago).

But like many other things in CAP......there is no way to pull up that data.....and for the most part the individuals involved probably don't go around advertising it.

When exactly was this changed? I have a sneaking suspicion but need to know when it came into effect.

[cap235629]

when a certain law enforcement official became National Commander

[RiverAux]

You would think....but that is not how the regulation is written.

I didn't say it was written that way.  Frankly, I don't think you would need to put such a requirement in the regulation.  National Commander orders Wing Commanders to forward him a copy of any authorizations.  No big deal.

[lordmonar]

Yes...it was during HWSNBN's tenure.....Can't remember the year of the NB...but I remember reading about in the agenda.

We may have even debated here on CT or CS.

[davidsinn]

when a certain law enforcement official became National Commander

I thought so. There probably isn't a law anywhere that requires this exemption.

[SarDragon]

I have olde E-regs all the way back to 2002, but they're on a different computer. I'll look it up and post the results later tonight.

[indygreg]

The only thing that comes to mind is wild animals...(for Ground teams)

IMO there are better alternatives for this purpose: "bear spray," i.e. pepper spray.

If you are close enough to spray a bear with pepper spray, you are dinner.

It is also a good idea to keep an eye out for fresh bear scat so you have an idea if bears are in the area.  People should be able to recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear scat.

[Major Lord]

You might have to explain to cadets and younger members what "Scat " was. (Note to anyone not a coffeehouse beatnik type; "Scat was like "RAP" for another generation) Although RAP is the scatological folk music of a newer generation. Its not well known but " RAP"  is actually an acronym. It stands for "Retards Attempting Poetry. Scat was more like "speaking in tongues" Awesome cartoon! Did you just do that?

Major Lord

[Eclipse]

^ One of the best high school English classes ever was when we reviewed words like this.  The conversations were "colorful" for weeks after.

[RogueLeader]

Sorry that I'm late to this thread. 
To HARDSHELL CLAM and RM:
I happen to pack a M-9 everywhere I go, even to the latrine in my own home, and I also have a M-249 in my 72 hr gear with 5 porkchops.  I also carry 10 extra 30rd magazines for it.  Just in case

[Spaceman3750]

Your 72hr gear must weigh more than you do...

[Buzz]

Can you cite the law that requires said person to carry?

If it becomes necessary, yes.

Assuaging your curiosity doesn't qualify as "necessary."

[johnnyb47]

Well played, sir.

[Eclipse]

Can you cite the law that requires said person to carry?

If it becomes necessary, yes.

Assuaging your curiosity doesn't qualify as "necessary."

Nice try.

[davidsinn]

Can you cite the law that requires said person to carry?

If it becomes necessary, yes.

Assuaging your curiosity doesn't qualify as "necessary."

You made the claim. Back it up. Otherwise it's just anonymous internet BS.

[Flying Pig]

  I contacted our District Attorney and the local US Attorney and have talked to agents that fly with me.  FBI, USSS, DEA, HSI/ICE, NCIS, OSI, CID, BNE to name a FEW (No, FEW isnt an agency )

Nobody knows of any LE agency that is mandated by law to carry 24/7.  Maybe there is a state law respective to that state, but not federal.  Law, not department policy.  If your department policy requires it, then have a discussion with your chain of command, explain the need, and I would have to presume it wouldnt be an issue.

Although if your that knee deep in the S--T that you need to be strapped 24/7, I dont know if I want you near me!

[Flying Pig]

Maybe Ned can ellaborate.

If there was a law that required an LE officer to carry a firearm 24/7, there would have to be a penalty if they were caught unarmed?  I really cant see a cop being cited, fined, etc for not carrying off duty.  Poor guy at the beach with his family and he gets hooked by the State Parks Police for not having his duty weapon !  That would be awesome!