Stolen Valor Conviction Overturned

[Panzerbjorn]

I think it's too bad.  I mean, we need to put posers like this in jail!  How dare he insinuate that not only did he go to Ranger School, but that he earned a CIB, Purple Heart, AND a Silver Star!  The NERVE!

[THRAWN]

Two Silver Stars....I miss those uniforms.

[AirAux]

Wait, what?  Aren't most of us Admirals in the Navy of the Great State of Nebraska??  I think I recall having such a paper somewhere...

[Damron]

IIRC, there was a Navy Admiral (what other kind would there be?) that was wearing some ribbons he hadn't been awarded and when it was discovered, he committed suicide.  At the end, an honorable gesture...

You might consider limiting your comments to subjects that you know something about.   Boorda, a case of stolen valor?   Honorable gesture?  I would like to show you a certain gesture for such a thoughtless and insensitive post.   

[THRAWN]

IIRC, there was a Navy Admiral (what other kind would there be?) that was wearing some ribbons he hadn't been awarded and when it was discovered, he committed suicide.  At the end, an honorable gesture...

You might consider limiting your comments to subjects that you know something about.   Boorda, a case of stolen valor?   Honorable gesture?  I would like to show you a certain gesture for such a thoughtless and insensitive post.

You sure you want to open with that? Try reading the whole thread before you make asinine comments. Where is PACE?

[Damron]

Nobody can say that he was aware he was doing anything wrong or that he believed what he was doing was even in a gray area.  It can be said that he should have known better.  It may be that he did at some point -- sooner or later -- know better, but even that remains unclear.  Perhaps he began wearing them in good faith, subsequently learned they were "technically" unauthorizad, did not want to make a spectacle by taking them off, and then felt trapped by the media attention, but we will never know.  I remember this as it happened, and it played-out very badly for him at the time.

From your comments, it doesn't appear that you remember the chronology.   It was brought to Boorda's attention that he may not be entitled to wear the device.  He didn't put up a fight or cite why a number of officers thought they were entitled to wear it.  Instead, he stopped wearing it.  Nobody noticed, or cared.

A couple of years later, David Hackworth brought it to public attention...without describing the circumstances by which Boorda and other officers thought they were entitled to wear the device.

[Damron]

IIRC, there was a Navy Admiral (what other kind would there be?) that was wearing some ribbons he hadn't been awarded and when it was discovered, he committed suicide.  At the end, an honorable gesture...

You might consider limiting your comments to subjects that you know something about.   Boorda, a case of stolen valor?   Honorable gesture?  I would like to show you a certain gesture for such a thoughtless and insensitive post.

You sure you want to open with that? Try reading the whole thread before you make asinine comments. Where is PACE?

Yeah, that's what I want to open with.  Is indecisiveness a problem that plagues you? 

What does the rest of the thread have to do with the post I responded to? 

Asinine?   Why don't you consider the level of respect paid towards a deceased and highly decorated Vietnam vet?   Think about that post while considering that Boorda's peers, sailors, friends, or family might be reading this public forum.

[THRAWN]

IIRC, there was a Navy Admiral (what other kind would there be?) that was wearing some ribbons he hadn't been awarded and when it was discovered, he committed suicide.  At the end, an honorable gesture...

You might consider limiting your comments to subjects that you know something about.   Boorda, a case of stolen valor?   Honorable gesture?  I would like to show you a certain gesture for such a thoughtless and insensitive post.

You sure you want to open with that? Try reading the whole thread before you make asinine comments. Where is PACE?

Yeah, that's what I want to open with.  Is indecisiveness a problem that plagues you? 

What does the rest of the thread have to do with the post I responded to? 

Asinine?   Why don't you consider the level of respect paid towards a deceased and highly decorated Vietnam vet?   Think about that post while considering that Boorda's peers, sailors, friends, or family might be reading this public forum.

Nice personal attack. What are you so angry about? Read the thread where these concerns were discussed and for the record it's ADMIRAL Boorda.

[Damron]

IIRC, there was a Navy Admiral (what other kind would there be?) that was wearing some ribbons he hadn't been awarded and when it was discovered, he committed suicide.  At the end, an honorable gesture...

You might consider limiting your comments to subjects that you know something about.   Boorda, a case of stolen valor?   Honorable gesture?  I would like to show you a certain gesture for such a thoughtless and insensitive post.

You sure you want to open with that? Try reading the whole thread before you make asinine comments. Where is PACE?

Yeah, that's what I want to open with.  Is indecisiveness a problem that plagues you? 

What does the rest of the thread have to do with the post I responded to? 

Asinine?   Why don't you consider the level of respect paid towards a deceased and highly decorated Vietnam vet?   Think about that post while considering that Boorda's peers, sailors, friends, or family might be reading this public forum.

Nice personal attack. What are you so angry about? Read the thread where these concerns were discussed and for the record it's ADMIRAL Boorda.

Personal attack?  No.

I responded to a post that categorized Boorda's suicide as honorable.  I took nothing out of context and the rest of the thread mitigates nothing from the thoughtless, disrespectful, and ignorant post that suggested the Boorda case was just another example of stolen valor.

[Pace]

Seriously? Not even a week. Ok. These are not the droids you are looking for. Everyone just move along. Get back on topic: implications of the SCOTUS ruling.

[ironputts]

BREATH everyone......

[Holding Pattern]

Can we let the dead rest in peace and talk about something relevant to the topic? Please?

[Holding Pattern]

Get back on topic: implications of the SCOTUS ruling.

TBH, I don't see much in terms of implications. Society is getting a bit better about demanding documents when people start talking about their SF/Ranger/Airborne/medals/etc. as soon as people start bragging about it.

[Pace]

Correction: can we get back to the OP, whatever the intention was.

[THRAWN]

Here's the text of the ruling. Good read, if you can get past the legalese:

http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2016/01/11/11-35796.pdf

[MSG Mac]

When I served in Vietnam, It was the rule that the V awarded and all NavComms, NAM's, Bronze stars, and even the Legion of Merit, if earned in country came with the V device.

[AirAux]

"You might consider limiting your comments to subjects that you know something about.   Boorda, a case of stolen valor?   Honorable gesture?  I would like to show you a certain gesture for such a thoughtless and insensitive post."  Yeah, great example of leadership to take the easy way out??  I am sure your gesture would reveal more about you than me. 

[Pace]

Let go of your anger. It is the path to the dark side.

Warning #2. Anyone want to guess what happens at warning #3?

[CAPDCCMOM]

We get to sit in the Penalty Box?

[Pace]

Close, very close