Covers

[Cool Mace]

Can anyone here help explain how this was approved for wear during encampment?

I'm not trying to flame on the cadet or anything, just wondering...


http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.501651983194453.133876.122212387805083&type=3

You don't need a face book to see it either.

[Extremepredjudice]

Not a valid link.

[Cool Mace]

Sorry about that. Should be good to go now.

You'll notice the cover right off the bat, fyi.

[Eclipse]

Can anyone here help explain how this was approved for wear during encampment?

Likely no one ever considered the issue beyond "Wouldn't it be cool?..."

Looks like he's got stars on the Chiefs, too.  Whatever that's supposed to mean...

Prediction:

The photo will drop off Facebook within 24-48 hours.

And / or we'll get a couple of new members whose sole purpose here is to explain to us why that's OK.

[Garibaldi]

Can anyone here help explain how this was approved for wear during encampment?

I'm not trying to flame on the cadet or anything, just wondering...


http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.501651983194453.133876.122212387805083&type=3

You don't need a face book to see it either.

Personally, unless he was an AD MTI, which I highly doubt since he was wearing cadet rank insignia, that kid has absolutely no right to wear that hat. CAP is NOT the Air Force. IMHO he is insulting those that EARNED the RIGHT to wear that hat.

/rant

[Cool Mace]

Can anyone here help explain how this was approved for wear during encampment?

Likely no one ever considered the issue beyond "Wouldn't it be cool?..."

Looks like he's got stars on the Chiefs, too.  Whatever that's supposed to mean...

Prediction:

The photo will drop off Facebook within 24-48 hours.

And / or we'll get a couple of new members who's sole purpose in life is to explained to us why that's OK.

They call him a Command Chief... Here is a quote from one of the other photos.

"Glad to see my tradition of the smoky still being used! Fought long and hard in 2004 to wear it. They wanted to take it away! Where is the whistle there chief!"

I didn't realize whistles were allowed for wear on blues?

[Phil Hirons, Jr.]

Is that a star in the middle of the C/CMSgt insignia?

[Eclipse]

They aren't.

Insert long ((*sigh*)) here.

[Cool Mace]

They aren't.

Insert long ((*sigh*)) here.

I should have added sarcasm in there... 

How these things pass, will always elude me.

[SarDragon]

Can anyone here help explain how this was approved for wear during encampment?

I'm not trying to flame on the cadet or anything, just wondering...


http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.501651983194453.133876.122212387805083&type=3

You don't need a face book to see it either.

Personally, unless he was an AD MTI, which I highly doubt since he was wearing cadet rank insignia, that kid has absolutely no right to wear that hat. CAP is NOT the Air Force. IMHO he is insulting those that EARNED the RIGHT to wear that hat.

/rant

It's not a right. It's a privilege.

Rights generally cannot be revoked. Privileges can, and that has certainly happened in the case of the DI/MTI hat.

[BillB]

Looks like the 1st Sgt diamond on the C/CMsgt grade

[Eclipse]

Zoom in - those are stars, which would be in keeping with the "Command Chief" idea. Probably something homemade.

[lordmonar]

Let's not take this to the "it is insulting" phase.......that is not the point.  The point is that NHQ needs to come down on these sort of thing publicly, loudly and definitivly!

On the one hand....I don't really have that much heart burn over encampment staff wearing smokey bear hats.

I got a problem with people deciding that they want to do what they want to do.....and no one in authority doing squat about it.

I know I have argued about "the commander said I could".........and I still stand by that........HAMMER the Commander!

What needs to happen today....is the National CC needs to call the regional command.....and they both need to get on a confernece call with the wing commander and his director of CP and make sure this does not happen again!

It is because NHQ and lower level commanders don't stop these big things....that we get squadron commanders authorising boonie hats, white shoe laces and other petty sillyness.

How can I correct my cadets by saying "no it is not in the regs and I don't have the authority to allow it" when they can turn around and say "but at encampent....the command chief wore a smokey bear hat and had a star on his stripes".

This is what peeves me about uniform violations.  Much more then squadron commander X authorising boonies.

[Garibaldi]

You're right. That's not the point. The Wing CC should be having a conference with the Wing DCP and the encampment commander. Rest assured, if someone in our wing decided to do that, they would be looking for a ride home.

[abdsp51]

Thankfully it's not a genuine AF MTI smokey hat. 

[MSgt Van]

Wow. Hope he doesn't yell at me.

[abdsp51]

Wow. Hope he doesn't yell at me.

Considering the badge in your sig block I think he'd be more worried about you yelling at him.

[Major Lord]

It has been written, that the great philosopher Lao Tzu ( the founder of Taoism) eventually grew sick at heart of the ways of men and wandered of into the desert to die, in the 6th century, B.C.E. My guess is that he foresaw that hat on that Cadet.

Major Lord
p.s Neither the Air Force or CAP have "Covers".

[Brad]

Wow. Hope he doesn't yell at me.

Considering the badge in your sig block I think he'd be more worried about you yelling at him.

I think the hope was more for the cadet's sake 

On-topic though, that has always been my pet-peeve with uniforms since high school with the JROTC programs: people who add their own little "embellishments" to the uniform and then trying to justify it by some local commander's ok, or even worse the offender just saying that "nobody told me not to".

If it is not in the regulation then you can't wear it, even though it doesn't mention it is specifically prohibited. How hard a concept is that?

[Stonewall]

Although I'm not a fan of the hat at a CAP encampment, I really can't get bent out of shape for it. 

From the other pictures, it looked to be a squared away encampment.