AFIADL A4/6 Question

[DrJbdm]

 Does anyone have any flash cards or other study material they made for SOS that they can share? I'm working on SOS now and really need to focus more on completing it. Any study help that can be provided would be great.

  I really hope that CAP access to ACSC continues, that would be a sweet way to earn the core credits towards a masters degree for free.

   

[Tim Medeiros]

Does anyone have any flash cards or other study material they made for SOS that they can share? I'm working on SOS now and really need to focus more on completing it. Any study help that can be provided would be great. 

This would be nice for others taking the course as well, just be careful of use of "outside study aides" though, the AF can get picky about things like that.

[Briski]

Does anyone have any flash cards or other study material they made for SOS that they can share? I'm working on SOS now and really need to focus more on completing it. Any study help that can be provided would be great.

I bought a three subject notebook, and I'm outlining the crap out of the readings whenever I have time to work on them. That way I can review my notes, instead of having to try to reread the readings right before taking the unit tests.

The original goal was to have one subject section in the notebook per unit. We'll see how that works out.

Even if you don't have notes and outlines for each of the readings, it can only help you to start doing this now.

[AirDX]

^^^Pretty much what I've been doing.  I just read each selection, highlighted what I thought was important (or stood out as an obvious test question), and reviewed a couple of times before testing.

I've found the best motivator to buckle down and study is to schedule a test.  2 down, 1 to go, plan to take the last one on Sept. 7.

[SAR-EMT1]

I understand from some of my various national stuff over the past 3 months that some people at the national level were to work on the issue of CAP member eligibility for these courses with AU.

I'm saying just don't rattle ACSC and AWC until they work out a long-term thing.

No rattling involved - just asking a yes or no question.

So what is the official status for the 3 programs at current ?

[AirDX]

So what is the official status for the 3 programs at current ?

SOS will still accept CAP Captains or above, BA/BS now required, though.

ACSC/AWC unknown, no reply from the e-mail I sent (which may well be to an old e-mail address, I don't know).  Too busy at work to make a phone call this last week, and Monday is a holiday. 

[AirDX]

From the horse's mouth at AU, CAP officers are still eligible for ACSC/AWC.

[Eclipse]

From the horse's mouth at AU, CAP officers are still eligible for ACSC/AWC.

Does that include the new BA/BS requirement?

[AirDX]

From the horse's mouth at AU, CAP officers are still eligible for ACSC/AWC.

Does that include the new BA/BS requirement?

That's a good question.

Civilians who were otherwise eligible for USAF PME courses were always required to have a baccalaureate degree to enroll in SOS/ACSC/AWC.  The CAP University page now includes this eligibility statement for SOS: "Member must be a Captain (or higher), in good standing with CAP, and possess accredited baccalaureate degrees."  That explicit statement is not found anywhere in the ACSC or AWC description on the CAP university page OR in the eligibility requirements on the AU site.

In fact both the application form (AU23) for SOS and the application system (AUSIS) for ACSC/AWC don't ask for any educational information.

In all the AU documentation, CAP officers are considered in the same paragraph as AD, AFR and ANG officers, who all have baccalaureate degrees by definition.

Soooo.... I don't know.  I'm planning on doing ACSC, but I have another 18 months to go to make Major.  In that time I'm planning on finishing off a BS, so it'll be moot.

All I know for sure is that AU says we can still take ACSC and AWC, as of today.

 

[SARDOC]

The Air University Catalog Pg 33 under "Air University Admissions Requirements" you must Prove Eligibility to attend (CAP membership) and Academic Credentials.  Under the Sub Category of "Proof of Academic Credentials" is says


"Civilian students must have no less than a bachelor's degree from a regionally accredited college or university."

[BillB]

When I took SOS, ACSC and AWC a degree was not required.

[Spaceman3750]

When I took SOS, ACSC and AWC a degree was not required.

And Jesus was a cadet, right?

Kidding, I don't even know you .

[AirDX]

The Air University Catalog Pg 33 under "Air University Admissions Requirements" you must Prove Eligibility to attend (CAP membership) and Academic Credentials.  Under the Sub Category of "Proof of Academic Credentials" is says


"Civilian students must have no less than a bachelor's degree from a regionally accredited college or university."

Ha, you found it!  Good job, thanks.

[DrJbdm]

 It makes perfect sense to me, the academic work you are required to be doing in SOS, ACSC, & AWC is Post-Baccalaureate level work. Hence all students must have an accredited bachelor's degree from a regionally accredited college or university.

[Eclipse]

It makes perfect sense to me, the academic work you are required to be doing in SOS, ACSC, & AWC is Post-Baccalaureate level work. Hence all students must have an accredited bachelor's degree from a regionally accredited college or university.

Anyone with a reasonable general education should be able to complete this.  I can understand why members looking to try and use the credits
towards a degree or for military education credit, etc., should be expected to adhere to the pre-requisites, however those simply looking to
take the class for their general knowledge, or as a waiver for RSC should not be so restricted.

The applicability to CAP is generalized at best, so if you think you are up to it, you should be able to try.

[SARDOC]

Anyone with a reasonable general education should be able to complete this.  I can understand why members looking to try and use the credits
towards a degree or for military education credit, etc., should be expected to adhere to the pre-requisites, however those simply looking to
take the class for their general knowledge, or as a waiver for RSC should not be so restricted.

The applicability to CAP is generalized at best, so if you think you are up to it, you should be able to try.

I agree, the Issue I can see is that Air University is regionally accredited and there has to be an academic minimum for post graduate work for them to maintain that accreditation.  I don't think they are allowed to do waivers.  I do know that some regionally accredited schools will accept you for graduate work if you have a degree from a nationally accredited school.

[SAR-EMT1]

Well,

I just learned something... (This is paraphrasing)
In speaking with someone at Maxwell the recent change in requiring CAP to have a BA/BS was merely the correction of an oversight.
In order for anyone in the military to take these courses they are pre-screened for a degree. For most, it is a given considering commissioning method. - Academy provides a degree. ROTC completion requires graduating from college as does OCS.  However I know a few prior-enlisted types used to squeak through, but that changed with the requirement that to pin on 0-3 a BS/BA must be "in hand"... Nat'l Guard used to allow commissions with a Associates with BA/BS req'd for O-3. Now the Guard requires BS/BA for O-1.

End result:  Someone...somewhere, always thought that to make Captain in CAP, a BS/BA had been obtained.

According to my source at AU, during the credentialing process with the regional college folks, someone stumbled across the fact the assumption obviously wasn't true. The change was merely a correction of the oversight. SOS / ACSC/ AWC never knew  they were enrolling folks without a degree. They saw that we were CAP Captains/ Majors/ Lt Cols etc and thought that all was good.

[SARDOC]

The National Guard will do a waiver for 90 college credits instead of a BA/BS for their State OCS.  I know the Navy still doesn't require a Degree for Limited Duty Officers.  So not ALL commissioned officers have a BA/BS degree...they are limited in their career progression without it..but not every commissioned officer has a degree...but even they can't attend any of the War Colleges.  just food for thought.

[Has been]

I had a chat today with people at Maxwell who should know and here is the answer.

You do need a 4 year degree to enroll in Air War College and ACSC. But so does all DOD uniformed personnel and employees. In the past they may have forgotten to ask about /confirm your degrees. With the number of applicants much greater than the number of slots they check now.

Yes they will take CAP students but after all the DOD students have been taken care of. It could be a very long wait. RSC and NSC are better for CAP members anyway.

You can not get a Masters degree for ACSC from AU.  Some colleges and universities may give you credit (accept the transfer of credit) at the graduate level for ACSC. The exact number of credits and what they apply to is up to the accepting college/university. They may or may not charge you for the credits too.

[SAR-EMT1]

The National Guard will do a waiver for 90 college credits instead of a BA/BS for their State OCS.  I know the Navy still doesn't require a Degree for Limited Duty Officers.  So not ALL commissioned officers have a BA/BS degree...they are limited in their career progression without it..but not every commissioned officer has a degree...but even they can't attend any of the War Colleges.  just food for thought.

I have been informed the waiver went away in the last 4 years. (At least it is no longer offered in Illinois)