Changes to GT Gear List

[titanII]

With a flashlight/headlamp, a red lense/filter is very useful, but I don't think it is absolutely necessary. Plus they often make the light less powerful. So useful? yes. Mandatory? I don't think it should be.

[Major Lord]

1) Cash
2) Credit Card
3) Automobile Club (AAA) or similar)
4) Actual food ( Not MRE's)

Headlights? Matches? Axes? Have you guys actual been on an actual mission?

Major Lord

[NM SAR]

for Maj. Lord; axes and matches, okay, we probably never use. but I haven't been on a search YET that I didn't need my headlamp.

[Eclipse]

White lights destroy your night vision, especially when blasted directly in the face buy an overly enthusiastic cadet with
his dad's new $150 Nichia-chipped "piece of the sun".

There is a time and place for white, and a time for color, which is why most flashlights these days have multi-colors.

In some search scenarios, pseudo-stealth may be an advantage, as in the case where someone is actually hiding from
the searchers, in which case mega-lights may scare them more or give away where the searchers are.

In camp, colored lights are usually the most comfortable for everyone involved.

[Al Sayre]

snip...
In camp, colored lights are usually the most comfortable for everyone involved.

And if you have enough, you can even have your own combat disco! 

[thatonekid]

Condoms? In case you get bored? Or do I need to be more creative?

[Майор Хаткевич]

Condoms? In case you get bored? Or do I need to be more creative?

I hope it was a joke. But either way, it comes of...strange.

[titanII]

Condoms? In case you get bored? Or do I need to be more creative?

I watched an episode of Dual Survival ( a survival tv series) where the two guys were given, among other things, a few condoms. I thInk they used them to hold water

[ol'fido]

Condoms? In case you get bored? Or do I need to be more creative?

I hope it was a joke. But either way, it comes of...strange.

Trojan UNLUBRICATED condoms are often included in survival kit lists for use as a water carrier. I have never found the need to use one for this purpose. But if you find a fresh water source and have no other way to carry it, condoms are probably better than trying to use your pocket. On the other hand, even in the most remote areas of the country you will more than likely find one or more discarded plastic water or soda bottles that can be used to carry and store water. If you are careful, you can even sterilize the water by boiling it in the bottle.

[ElectricPenguin]

OR, for 'survival purposes', you could 'use' them to keep youself from getting depressed. 

[cap235629]

OR, for 'survival purposes', you could 'use' them to keep youself from getting depressed. 

ok let's get serious again....

locker room humor is not necessary

[ElectricPenguin]

For the winter, hand warmers should be used...

[titanII]

For the winter, hand warmers should be used...

Uhhhh isn't that what gloves are for?
Just Kidding 
Good catch. One pair of waterproof gloves/mittens to wear, one or more for when the first get wet, and hand warmers.Those awesome little packets have saved my fingers many a time.

[LTC Don]

adopt the NASAR standard and not try to reinvent the wheel

xeleventybillion.


/thread

[lordmonar]

adopt the NASAR standard and not try to reinvent the wheel

xeleventybillion.


/thread

Yes....but what are the NASAR standards?  Anyone posted them?

[Major Lord]

NASAR has too many standards to reflect in one brief chat room post;

http://www.nasar.org/page/21/Course-and-Exam-Schedule

Frankly, without adopting NASAR standards, we will always be the black sheep in the SAR game; Most of them know enough about CAP to know that our training tends to be ........variable......

Major Lord

[lordmonar]

Well......NASAR is in the Standards Buisness.

But my point is that NASAR probably does not have a "Ground Team Packing List Standard" the way CAP GT does.
I'm sure it has a helpfuly list of thing you should bring to the field.....but not a "you will have 2 2X2 guauze bandages.....if you only have 1 or ithe they are 3X3 you fail" sort of standard.

[NC Hokie]

Here's a NASAR equipment list from 2004... The urban SAR pack on the second page looks like it might work for UDF teams.

[Thom]

The current NASAR study materials for SARTECH II, the book 'Fundamentals of Search and Rescue', has a similar listing of minimum personal equipment, recommended equipment, and an urban-only reduced loadout.

NASAR takes it very seriously that these are minimum specs, and you need to have all of these things. You can carry more if you like, but you must carry this stuff.


Thom

[MCRmy]

for first aid kit: instant ice pack