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 on: Today at 05:40:31 PM 
Started by francisderosa16 - Last post by Eclipse

 on: Today at 05:14:43 PM 
Started by francisderosa16 - Last post by Capmonkey
Thank you so much everybody, and yes, I tried looking at regulations, I just didn't understand.

If you don't understand regulations, or matters contained within, that's what your chain of command is for... can we please shut this thread down now?

 on: Today at 05:05:17 PM 
Started by francisderosa16 - Last post by francisderosa16

Let me ask you some questions. What are you trying to get out of your CAP experience? What knowledge or skills do you have to pass on to cadets or use to contribute to the operation of a CAP squadron (because SMs are expected to be mentors and actually run the programs)?

If your goal is rank, prestige, and money, might I suggest your local recruiter.

If your goal is to give back to the program in a meaningful way, I would first ask you if you have used the cadet program to its fullest to better yourself prior to becoming a SM.

If you are considering becoming an adult member/mentor, you will be held to a much higher standard of self-reliance. For example, nearly every one of your questions can be answered by reading the appropriate regulation on the NHQ website. You also could take advantage of local resources by asking your chain of command.

I would strongly opine that you may greatly benefit from additional time as a cadet. There are many lessons to learn before you are ready to lead others.

Good luck.

I want to serve my country, that's why I joined CAP.

 on: Today at 05:04:19 PM 
Started by francisderosa16 - Last post by francisderosa16
Thank you so much everybody, and yes, I tried looking at regulations, I just didn't understand.

 on: Today at 03:48:30 PM 
Started by Capmonkey - Last post by Capmonkey
Understood. I was speaking on a Region CAC, but didn't specify that. Thanks for all the help!

 on: Today at 03:35:44 PM 
Started by etodd - Last post by etodd
In the interim, practice flying ATTI mode. get comfortable with it. The Air Force wants to make sure if you are in a the middle of a mission, and you were to lose GPS signal, that you could safely fly and land the drone without damage to people or property. All normal missions would be flown in GPS mode of course. Itís a demonstration of skill level, in order to be a sUAS mission pilot.

I don't even think the Mavic 2 even has an option to switch into ATTI mode; I believe this only happens when GPS signal is lost.

Maybe this will help:


 on: Today at 03:01:20 PM 
Started by Capmonkey - Last post by TheSkyHornet
Assuming that you're talking about Wing CAC...

B.L.U.F. --- It's not prohibited.

Let's start off being clear on regulations versus guidance:
Regs (R60-1) are mandatory.
Guidance (P52-19, in lieu of the yet-to-be published P60-34) is optional, as P52-19 states in the preface

This guide is an optional resource for Cadet Advisory Council (CAC) representatives and their senior member advisors.

Without looking at P52-19, now that we know it's only guidance and not the standard:

R60-1 states that the CAC will have a cadet chair and a vice chair and/or recorder.

While it doesn't say that these are different individual, that can be reasonably implied as they are two distinctly identified position. My interpretation would be that I need two persons: a chair, and a vice chair. The vice chair role can be excluded and a recorder installed; or the vice chair role can be included and a recorder added as well (3 officers).

R60-1 states that double-service is discouraged, not prohibited.

The wing chair should not also be the region representative. That's a should, not a shall.

Keep this in mind:
Your CAC Advisor serves under the Wing Commander (and, depending on Wing structure, Vice Commander/Chief of Staff and Director of Cadet Programs). The Wing Commander (or delegate) can decide not to permit optional practices and may elect to say "No, we're not doing that."

 on: Today at 02:50:46 PM 
Started by francisderosa16 - Last post by TheSkyHornet
I'll take it beyond what Eclipse offered

-Are flight officers officers?

Flight Officers are officers in the same sense that Second Lieutenants are officers; however, they're generally treated more like warrant officer hybrids in the sense of authority (and I'm saying generally...typically...usually...not 100% of the time). They're often assigned a technical or supporting role without a lot of direct oversight of people because they're still in that learning phase due to their age. I have yet to see a Flight Officer assigned as Deputy Commander for Cadets or Deputy Commander for Seniors. I think that would be an inherently bad idea.

-If I transition to a SM with only the Wright Bros. award, what rank would I be?

For any transition to senior membership, you'll come straight in as "Senior Member" (without grade) until the applicable paperwork is processed and any training requirements completed for promotion.

*You cannot hold an NCO or "full" Officer rank until you are 21-years-old.

Once you complete Level I of the senior member professional development program, you would be a Flight Officer so long as you have had at least 6 months in CAP (at any grade).

If you wish to advance to become a Technical Flight Officer, then Senior Flight Officer, you must complete the higher-level professional development tiers and have additional time-in-grade as a Flight Officer.

-Are CAP members considered Airman, [just like Navy is sailor, Army is soldier, etc.]

In the sense of the whole "Total Force" thing, yes.
In the sense of military (or federal) service, no.

Generally speaking, officers in the U.S. Navy are not "sailors;" they're naval officers (and you would not call them 'sailor'). Different branches hold different traditions on this (whereas Army officers are regarded as soldiers). --- Funny enough, naval officers are trained to recite the Sailor's Creed, which includes the line "I am a United States Sailor" in the opening.

You're best to refer to yourself, and others, as "Members in Civil Air Patrol" and not "Airmen in Civil Air Patrol." It's not wrong, exactly, but not highly received, or so it seems.

- Can a cadet member transition to a SM and be a NCO without enlisting?

No. CAP NCOs must have been at least of the E-4 pay grade in the U.S. military.

Ironically, the Air Force is the only branch whose E-4 grade is not an NCO, whereas in all other military branches, an E-4 can be an NCO (in the Army, E-4s are either Specialists which are not an NCO or Corporals which are NCOs). Lance Corporals in the Marine Corps (E-3) are not NCOs, but Corporals (E-4) are NCOs.

-How do SM NCOs promote?

Basically, the same way that senior member officers promote: training requirements, and time in grade.

There are some exceptions as to how high NCOs can go in CAP, which depend on their echelon assignment. You won't see Chief Master Sergeants assigned to squadrons, just like you won't see Colonels assigned to squadrons.

-How do Senior Members Promote and how fast?

Remember that promotions are based on eligibility plus readiness.

Eligibility to promote is made up of two components:
- Time in grade
- Training/experience

Time in grade can very from early promotions (6 months) to later promotions (5 years)

Training requirements include a mixture of professional development classes, service in a specific duty position, and technical knowledge.

For me to advance, I have to take knowledge exams, attend classes, and instruct training courses, as well as serve in related duty positions to gain higher technical ratings in my specialty.

-What what rank and requirements are required to make your own squadron?

You don't need a rank necessarily, but you need to be a senior member to be a unit commander (NCOs cannot hold command).

Squadrons require approval to be started, and you have to have a certain number of members depending on the type of unit (senior, cadet, or composite squadron). Squadrons that do not meet these roster sizes will become flights, and are overseen by group or wing commanders.

-How do cadets with squadrons on base get on base with no military ID?

There's an application process to be on the Entry Authorization List. Aside from that, this is a "go research" or "figure it out" type thing. Let's not jive too much on how to get on military bases. You need authorization; that's it.

-Are squadron Commanders paid?

There are only a handful of paid staff in CAP.

Squadron commanders are unpaid volunteers like the rest of us. "Volunteer" means you are donating your own time, resources, and/or labor.

We actually end up spending quite a bit from our own pockets over the course of the year to support our squadrons, whether providing supplies, paying for meals, or covering activity costs. Not to mention all the other crap we actually have to pay for (training weekends, uniforms, membership fees etc.). We're a charitable bunch.

 on: Today at 02:50:34 PM 
Started by Capmonkey - Last post by Capmonkey
Hey, y'all.
     I have a question about CAC. It's kinda funny, considering I'm the Chairman of a CAC, and I should know this, but a disagreement between me and my advisor arose. I've reg checked and haven't found a solid answer, but the bylaws for my CAC clearly state it. If a representative is elected Recorder, are they able to still function as their Wing's primary representative? Through my time in CAC, it's always been this way (the recorder can serve as the representative), but the advisor is saying that whoever is elected Recorder is not able to serve as the primary. I couldn't find anything specifically about it in 60-1 or CAPP 52-19, so I'd just like your opinion. Thanks.

C/Lt Col Capmonkey

 on: Today at 05:33:06 AM 
Started by glm705 - Last post by CAP9907
Agree, that'll do it..//

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