No mention in the preliminary accident report of how the deer fared in the accident with the CAP 172 in Wisconsin. Darn critters! We can hope they'd "look both ways" but 'tain't likely.
This general topic might be a good 5 minute discussion for pilots & drivers. "I remember when [——-]" etc. sometimes is a good way to share avoidance stories.
A discussion starter might be this (NOT!! CAP) accident from in this video posted 3+ years ago, back in May 2015. Stew meat. And a big repair bill. :o
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EiawS8Bf06E (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EiawS8Bf06E)
Here's what the pilot of that C182 had to say:
Published on May 18, 2015
It was a nice day... Then this. We randomly decided to video record the landing since we were landing at our friends airstrip.
Deer could not be seen during our 200-300' AGL flyover.
We enjoyed some deer meat the next day.
Damage:
The deer impacted the tip of the prop (no visible damage, but a required engine teardown nonetheless).
A solid 3" deep dent aft of the cowling bending two formers.
Deer impacted wing strut, causing it's body to spin violently and impact several times across the door and aft of the door, creating additional dents along those areas.
Repair cost was approx $36,000 on the Cessna 182[\i]
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Date: 17-SEP-18
Time: 20:00:00Z
Regis#: N910CP
Aircraft Make: CESSNA
Aircraft Model: 172S
Event Type: ACCIDENT
Highest Injury: NONE
Aircraft Missing: No
Damage: SUBSTANTIAL
LOCATION
City: STEVENS POINT
State: WISCONSIN
Country: UNITED STATES
DESCRIPTION
Description: STRUCK A DEER
No reported injuries.
====v=v=v=v======
Serial Number 172S8332 Status Valid
Manufacturer Name CESSNA Certificate Issue Date 02/02/2000
Model 172S Expiration Date 07/31/2019
Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Single-Engine Type Engine Reciprocating
Pending Number Change None Dealer No
Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code (base 8 / oct) 53113353
MFR Year 1999 Mode S Code (base 16 / hex) AC96EB
Type Registration Corporation Fractional Owner NO
Registered Owner
Name CIVIL AIR PATROL INC
Street 105 S HANSELL ST
City MAXWELL AFB State ALABAMA
County MONTGOMERY Zip Code 36112-6332
Country UNITED STATES
Airworthiness
Engine Manufacturer LYCOMING Classification Standard
Engine Model O&VO-360 SER Category Normal
Utility
A/W Date 12/09/1999 Exception Code No
CAP friend had a Grumman Tiger. On landing one day a deer bolted out of the treeline and straight into the side of the aircraft.
Not cheap, but cheaper than hitting the prop.
Wait. Was this a CAP flight, or not?
If so, was this a charted field?
Are grass operations till a Wing decision as they were years ago?
Quote from: etodd on October 01, 2018, 07:00:32 PM
Wait. Was this a CAP flight, or not?
If so, was this a charted field?
Are grass operations till a Wing decision as they were years ago?
All of your questions will be answered on Auxbeacon, I am sure. :angel: >:D
Quote from: LSThiker on October 01, 2018, 07:07:40 PM
Quote from: etodd on October 01, 2018, 07:00:32 PM
Wait. Was this a CAP flight, or not?
If so, was this a charted field?
Are grass operations till a Wing decision as they were years ago?
All of your questions will be answered on Auxbeacon, I am sure. :angel: >:D
I don't ever go there. Looked once a couple years ago and never went back. LOL
Considering it took me, a non-pilot, exactly 12 seconds to determine that both runways at Stevens Point, WI are asphalt....
<shaking my head>
on my very first cadet orientation ride, right after taking off we flew right over a slew of deer standing in a tree line... immediately i wondered if it was legal to shoot deer from an airplane (nevermind how difficult that shot would have been, when you're 13 you don't worry about such details)
Quote from: etodd on October 01, 2018, 07:00:32 PM
Wait. Was this a CAP flight, or not?
2015 - no. 2018 - apparently yes.
QuoteIf so, was this a charted field?
Are grass operations till a Wing decision as they were years ago?
If you think deer incidents are solely the realm of grass strips, you are mistaken. When I was in the Navy, we frequently used to have to chase wildlife off the runways and taxiways, particularly at night. The resident moose population at Brunswick, Maine was a constant problem at certain times of the year. One olde guy made the follow-me truck look small.
When flying into some northern Wisconsin airfields, they will advise you to buzz the runway to check for and clear any deer out, and you can also call the FBO to send a truck out to clear the runway for you as well.
Quote from: NIN on October 01, 2018, 07:19:38 PM
Considering it took me, a non-pilot, exactly 12 seconds to determine that both runways at Stevens Point, WI are asphalt....
<shaking my head>
Well the video said "a friends field", so it sure did not sound like it was a charted one, and is obviously a grass strip if you watched the video. Could have been in the suburbs of Stephens Point. There are lots of "fields" in my area that are not on the charts. Used by crop dusters,, trike fliers, etc. LOL
But yes, I didn't realize until after posting that there are two separate events in the OP. Not the same one.
And good grief yes , at my Class D airport, we see deer, dogs and more. Tall fencing isn't always enough.
Well, I will admit to not having watching the video, So I will take that hit. I have now watched it. Scary.
It reminds me of two things - my first six hours were in a tail-dragger at the grass strip behind my instructor's house in Maine, and one night driving in Michigan last year when an almost identical group of small deer ran out onto the road. Fortunately, there was no contact.
Fwiw, it's not just dogs, deer, and moose on runways. Some paved runways (like the muni at Enterprise, OR) get a lot of use by nearby residents who, on windy days, like the wind at their backs as the stroll down the centerline... often in packs with their dogs. :o
And lets not forget the group that makes the MOST runway incursions, other pilots!
Quote from: PHall on October 03, 2018, 04:05:11 PM
And lets not forget the group that makes the MOST runway incursions, other pilots!
And even worse, people.