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Operations => Aviation & Flying Activities => Topic started by: jfkspotting on June 04, 2018, 04:18:43 PM

Title: Any Cessnas with wheel pants at CAP?
Post by: jfkspotting on June 04, 2018, 04:18:43 PM
From my understanding, all of our Cessna have 'bare landing gear' at CAP. I stumbled upon an image that begs to differ.,

https://beatricedailysun.com/news/local/civil-air-patrol-exercise-set-for-saturday/article_5ef81c04-19a2-58dc-813b-42a81cba9cad.html
Title: Re: Any Cessnas with wheel pants at CAP?
Post by: SarDragon on June 04, 2018, 05:08:33 PM
The plane looks really new. Those pants will likely soon be gone.
Title: Re: Any Cessnas with wheel pants at CAP?
Post by: Eclipse on June 04, 2018, 06:15:30 PM
The plane looks really new. Those pants will likely soon be gone.

(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/beatricedailysun.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/6f/46fbc248-2add-559e-9540-f019a3c82489/54249f6de35ba.image.jpg)

Its a 99 172, and there are other photos of it with the old door badge and still has skirts.

Here's 2008:
(http://www.airport-data.com/images/aircraft/small/000/196/196447.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Cessnas with wheel pants at CAP?
Post by: SarDragon on June 04, 2018, 06:19:00 PM
Well, it was a guess.  :angel:
Title: Re: Any Cessnas with wheel pants at CAP?
Post by: PHall on June 04, 2018, 06:32:03 PM
There was a directive put out about 10 years ago to remove the wheel pants from the Cessnas after there was an "incident" involving a wheel pant and a flat tire.
Title: Re: Any Cessnas with wheel pants at CAP?
Post by: Eclipse on June 04, 2018, 07:30:23 PM
The wives tale I heard was "brake inspections" and "tire flat spots".

Seems to be some contention in the AV community as to whether they are "good / better / best " with them on.

Increases drag, decreases weight, pants help prevent stones being thrown up, blah, blah.

The ones with pants are definitely anomalies both in CAP and outside of it.
Title: Re: Any Cessnas with wheel pants at CAP?
Post by: etodd on June 05, 2018, 12:03:21 AM
No pants on the Maule.  That was some fun flying today. 

Makes me want to fly a taildragger one in Alaska with the 30" wheels. ;D

(https://scontent.fatl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34462653_10216476286409620_488939201530691584_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=1f770a8d12106f88f6abc5af9e8e73c0&oe=5B784B4F)
Title: Re: Any Cessnas with wheel pants at CAP?
Post by: Mitchell 1969 on June 05, 2018, 05:16:16 AM
I prefer to call them “aeroplane trousers.”


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Title: Re: Any Cessnas with wheel pants at CAP?
Post by: NIN on June 05, 2018, 06:30:43 AM
I told my pilots "Go fly the wheel pants off that thing.. Oh, whoops, too late."

Title: Re: Any Cessnas with wheel pants at CAP?
Post by: Briank on June 05, 2018, 10:38:03 AM
Increases drag, decreases weight, pants help prevent stones being thrown up, blah, blah.

The ones with pants are definitely anomalies both in CAP and outside of it.

When I was a flying club maintenance officer I hated wheel pants.  I'd leave them off until someone begged for the extra 3 knots for a long trip.  With the pants on the brake checks are basically impossible by most pilots without maintenance support and even tire pressures seem to get neglected during pre-flights.
Title: Re: Any Cessnas with wheel pants at CAP?
Post by: TheSkyHornet on June 05, 2018, 11:20:44 AM
Increases drag, decreases weight, pants help prevent stones being thrown up, blah, blah.

The ones with pants are definitely anomalies both in CAP and outside of it.

When I was a flying club maintenance officer I hated wheel pants.  I'd leave them off until someone begged for the extra 3 knots for a long trip.  With the pants on the brake checks are basically impossible by most pilots without maintenance support and even tire pressures seem to get neglected during pre-flights.

This.

As a renter, I'm not a fan of wheel pants. The fact that I can look out my window and see the wheels is a bonus. Why cover them up? As you said, they get neglected during pre-flight. I'd much rather be able to walk over to the wheel, visually scan it, and push on it to see how it's holding up before I take her up.

It's one thing to be my own aircraft, and I know exactly how it was last flown and last maintained. It's another to take someone else's aircraft and not be able to look it over fully before taking it up.
Title: Re: Any Cessnas with wheel pants at CAP?
Post by: lordmonar on June 05, 2018, 11:23:11 AM
From my understanding, all of our Cessna have 'bare landing gear' at CAP. I stumbled upon an image that begs to differ.,

https://beatricedailysun.com/news/local/civil-air-patrol-exercise-set-for-saturday/article_5ef81c04-19a2-58dc-813b-42a81cba9cad.html
I know a lot of them come with the wheel pants and are removed on site.   The 182 in Southern NVWG has them in a box in the hangar.
I think they do it because the get broken too easily.
Title: Re: Any Cessnas with wheel pants at CAP?
Post by: Live2Learn on June 05, 2018, 11:37:21 AM
I prefer to call them “aeroplane trousers.”


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More like "aeroplane knickers"... :)  Both keep things from public view, and serve the hidden function of smoothing the flow of air and fabric ... i.e. drag.  With britches (knickers or other) weight is not normally of concern unless we fall overboard from a boat.
Title: Re: Any Cessnas with wheel pants at CAP?
Post by: Eclipse on June 05, 2018, 11:54:00 AM
The intertubes tells us the wheel leggings weigh between 18-20 lbs, and shave 1-2Kts speed.

That's a worthwhile trade as CAP A/C don't do much x-country, but are always looking for more capacity.
Title: Re: Any Cessnas with wheel pants at CAP?
Post by: Mitchell 1969 on June 05, 2018, 03:55:27 PM
I prefer to call them “aeroplane trousers.”


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More like "aeroplane knickers"... :)  Both keep things from public view, and serve the hidden function of smoothing the flow of air and fabric ... i.e. drag.  With britches (knickers or other) weight is not normally of concern unless we fall overboard from a boat.

Except...knickers aren’t meant to be seen by one and all.


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Title: Re: Any Cessnas with wheel pants at CAP?
Post by: SarDragon on June 05, 2018, 09:30:49 PM
Maybe breeches?  >:D
Title: Re: Any Cessnas with wheel pants at CAP?
Post by: Mitchell 1969 on June 06, 2018, 04:01:03 AM
Maybe breeches?  >:D

Or “aerodynamic pantaloons.”


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Title: Re: Any Cessnas with wheel pants at CAP?
Post by: etodd on June 06, 2018, 02:46:27 PM
I was expecting someone to ask about the Maule photo I posted above. Maybe everyone is familiar with it already. Its the first CAP plane I've flown with no CAP identification anywhere. A 2012 model MT-7-235, and was never painted. How unusual is that? Are there very many CAP planes without CAP paint or logos?
Title: Re: Any Cessnas with wheel pants at CAP?
Post by: jeders on June 06, 2018, 03:25:21 PM
Are there very many CAP planes without CAP paint or logos?

Yes.
Title: Re: Any Cessnas with wheel pants at CAP?
Post by: EMT-83 on June 06, 2018, 09:30:21 PM
N9344L is the 172 that flew over NYC after 9/11. Although the famous painting shows the aircraft with CAP colors, it did not have CAP paint at the time.

It received a paint job with standard CAP colors in 2016.
Title: Re: Any Cessnas with wheel pants at CAP?
Post by: OldGuy on June 06, 2018, 10:05:39 PM
N9344L is the 172 that flew over NYC after 9/11. Although the famous painting shows the aircraft with CAP colors, it did not have CAP paint at the time.

It received a paint job with standard CAP colors in 2016.
http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/000760905.html