Quote from: Shuman 14 on May 18, 2024, 07:32:29 PMAgain, this is why we need to put a clause in CAPR 39-1 that within 5-years of any uniform change by the USAF, it will be adopted, with appropriate CAP modification, by CAP.
QuoteQuote from: Shuman 14 on May 18, 2024, 07:37:37 PMThe Delay isn't Civil Air Patrol, the delay is the Air Force because I think they like to make it more complicated than it needs to be. The Air Force says it takes years to process this kind of request. Civil Air Patrol has made the request. The ball is no longer in our court.
That's a fair answer and most likely the truth.
Quote from: SierraOneThree on May 15, 2024, 08:04:19 PMVanguard, last I heard.
Quote from: Fubar on May 18, 2024, 10:58:41 AMWell, the CEO and his vice commander (and soon to be CEO) keep answering the question at wing conferences across the country and people keep posting what they say, so they don't seem to be treating the information like a secret. I also just checked, Vanguard is still selling ABUs, so there shouldn't be any members who can't get ABUs if they want/need them.
Quote from: SierraOneThree on May 18, 2024, 03:11:29 AMThe Air Force approved it ages ago, from what I understand direct from the NUC chair as of late last year. OCPs are a given and everyone involved knows it, the only thing I can think of as far as going back to make them review it again was the addition of brown boots a few months back. But now I'm hearing the uniform has once again been pushed out a year or two, so some transparency would be nice given how many squadrons/members simply cannot get ABUs anymore.
Quote from: HandsomeWalt_USMC on May 17, 2024, 09:35:26 PMI don't doubt you're right, but I don't see why they have to buy them until the final phaseout date. Let VG sell them until then, just direct no new orders. They kept selling BDU clothing and ultramarine items on closeout for years. I'm sure some clever fellow with a mind for retail analytics can determine exactly when to stop producing/stocking the ABU stuff as the OCPs come out.
Quote from: SARDOC on May 17, 2024, 04:30:51 AMThe Delay isn't Civil Air Patrol, the delay is the Air Force because I think they like to make it more complicated than it needs to be. The Air Force says it takes years to process this kind of request. Civil Air Patrol has made the request. The ball is no longer in our court.
Quote from: Fubar on May 17, 2024, 07:34:41 PMQuote from: SierraOneThree on May 15, 2024, 08:04:19 PMVanguard, last I heard.
Vanguard is a piece of the puzzle. Even when the Air Force eventually gives permissions, CAP has to plan the transition around how much stock of ABU stuff Vanguard has. As soon as CAP announces the phase out of ABUs, CAP has to purchase whatever remaining stock of ABU items Vanguard has so that they don't end up with product they can't sell.
Quote from: SierraOneThree on May 15, 2024, 08:04:19 PMVanguard, last I heard.
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