UPDATED: CAP Corporate Service Uniform Wear Guide

Started by AlphaSigOU, July 27, 2008, 05:00:33 PM

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AlphaSigOU

Quote from: IceNine on August 13, 2008, 03:12:19 PM
And?  it may look funny but its authorized

However, if we follow the letter of the law on CAPM 39-1, it's not listed, so it's technically not authorized. Considering there's so few general officers in CAP, the RealAirForce probably overlooks that bit o' blingage.
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AlphaSigOU

Quote from: IceNine on August 14, 2008, 03:58:02 PM
Re: 39-1 table 2.1 section 4.



I stand corrected. Now for fifty lashes with a wet noodle!  ;D
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AlphaSigOU

Quote from: stratoflyer on August 14, 2008, 05:54:12 PM
CSU...McPeak...CSU...McPeak......hmmmmmmmmm

It ain't really that bad... now if they ditched the gaudy silver sleeve braid (I don't mind it on the bus driver cap chin strap) for dark blue it'll be a whole lot better. The lapels need to be narrowed down a little so it doesn't hide most of your ribbon rack as well.
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Gill Robb Wilson Award (#2901 - 2011)
Amelia Earhart Award (#1257 - 1982) - C/Major (retired)
Billy Mitchell Award (#2375 - 1981)
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Eclipse

Quote from: IceNine on August 14, 2008, 03:58:02 PM
Re: 39-1 table 2.1 section 4.

Sorry, grasshopper, spin again.

That table only references USAF service dress, not distinctive uniforms:  "Men's Service, Mess Dress, and Semiformal Uniforms"



The photo I am referring has HWSRN in the CSU with short-sleeves, the CSU, in fact, is not referenced in any way in 39-1, however there is a rule about not mixing USAF items and distinctive items, and that general's buckle is a USAF uniform item, where the CSU is a distinctive combination.



Ergo...

Chuck, I think you're exactly right, though it might be better not to even reference the item in your CSU document.

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davidsinn

Quote from: Eclipse on August 15, 2008, 12:27:14 AM
Quote from: IceNine on August 14, 2008, 03:58:02 PM
Re: 39-1 table 2.1 section 4.

and that general's buckle is a USAF uniform item, where the CSU is a distinctive combination.



Aren't the rank slides on the CSU an AF item.....?
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Eclipse

Quote from: davidsinn on August 15, 2008, 02:57:05 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on August 15, 2008, 12:27:14 AM
Quote from: IceNine on August 14, 2008, 03:58:02 PM
Re: 39-1 table 2.1 section 4.

and that general's buckle is a USAF uniform item, where the CSU is a distinctive combination.



Aren't the rank slides on the CSU an AF item.....?

Hmmm...an interesting point, though they are explicitly authorized in the ICLs that create the uniform.

Same goes for the metal grade insignia, though neither identifies the actual service and I've seen both in
use on police and similar uniform.

Certainly an arguable point...

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AlphaSigOU

Quote from: Eclipse on August 15, 2008, 03:05:26 AM
Hmmm...an interesting point, though they are explicitly authorized in the ICLs that create the uniform.

Same goes for the metal grade insignia, though neither identifies the actual service and I've seen both in
use on police and similar uniform.

Certainly an arguable point...

Exactimundo... the USAF does not have a monopoly on the style of grade insignia. It's pretty much the same throughout the U.S. regardless of service (Squiddie insignia differences notwithstanding) and used by military and paramilitary units. I can see the Air Force having kittens sideways if they added the Hap Arnold or 'tangram' eagle to shoulder mark grades; then I'd say it's distinctive enough to be mil-only.

I'll tweak the CSU wear guide appropriately to identify the GOBB as a distinctive USAF item which shouldn't be worn with the CSU. (Though I think the older-style GOBB looked even nicer than the current Hap's wings GOBB.)
Lt Col Charles E. (Chuck) Corway, CAP
Gill Robb Wilson Award (#2901 - 2011)
Amelia Earhart Award (#1257 - 1982) - C/Major (retired)
Billy Mitchell Award (#2375 - 1981)
Administrative/Personnel/Professional Development Officer
Nellis Composite Squadron (PCR-NV-069)
KJ6GHO - NAR 45040