Couple of questions

[jimmydeanno]

^ I don't think he was refering to the CAP regulation, but the AFI that says CAP members are authorized to purchase from the uniform clothing stores...(the one that is noted in the CAP regs)

[Hawk200]

I don't know if showing them a CAP reg will work with all bases. I could see NHQ creating a reg authorizing acces to all bases now....

The point is to have legitimate documentation, and a CAP pub is better than nothing. CAP pubs don't have the pull, but if you show them the Air Force regs on CAP shopping on Air Force installations, you would probably never have a problem. I don't recall the AF pub, but I believe it's mentioned in the CAP one.

[badger bob]

CAPR 147-1 includes the applicable Army and Air Force regulation numbers

Army and Air Force Exchange Privileges of Civil Air Patrol Members
EXCHANGE SERVICE
This regulation states the Army and Air Force Exchange privileges authorized Civil Air Patrol senior and cadet members by joint Air Force Regulation 147-14 and Army Regulation 60-20. These two regulations will be, referred to whenever it is necessary to quote the source of authority for exchange privileges since this CAP regulation is for information purposes only with regard to these privileges.

[Major Lord]

Why waste time trying to get on a base or putting up with Vanguard?
www.bdu.com has brand new, Propper Brand BDU's for what you would pay for them from AFEES ( My Sq is on Travis AFB, so for me it's not a problem, but I also wear black BDU's in my other life, and these people are fast and reliable in my experience)

Capt. Lord

[Ford73Diesel]

^^^^^

Propper is a very good brand for BDU's.

[Hawk200]

^^^^^

Propper is a very good brand for BDU's.

Very good BDU's. A little spendy, but in life you get what you pay for. They're worth the money.

[floridacyclist]

I'm not sure if it's a different cloth or not, but I've split two sets of BBDUs from Propper (I buy them at the local uniform store), one across the seat and one right in front of the crotch area and neither on a seam. I never had this problem with Camo BDUs.

[JayT]

The way it's worded suggested that we were cut off completely.  When I herd that, I also believed that CAP was completely out in the cold. So to speak.

Currently, combat uniforms are not available- I know I doesn't make any sense. Our guys in the Gulf probably will know that some guy showing up at the gate in Woodland BDU's probably is not legit.

AF style uniforms are available, Cadet equipment (except BDUs) is available;  ES Ground team equipment is available, and administrative type equipment is available

So basically we have to find another source for woodland BDUs? I just bought a couple of ripstop sets at a local uniform shop where I get all my EMS/ES stuff. I know there has been alot of talk about the BDUs not being available, but what is the actual reason. I guess I am not in the loop enough yet to know why we cant get them, at least through channels. Also, since we are talking uniforms...I have an International Yellow waist length windbreaker with "MEDICAL" printed on the back of it. It was given to me during a week long seminar on vehicle extrication, mass casuality, etc. As I say, it is International Yellow (that neat lime green slightly yellow color). As it is meant to stand out, can I wear it in place of the blaze orange on SARs and SARexs or would it be a problem because of the reflective tape "MEDICAL" printed on the back or in the alternative are we required to wear the safety orange vests? Just curious. I get to wear it enough that I dont NEED to wear it in CAP, just wondered if it would be allowed as my high visibility gear. Heck, if I had my pack on, you wouldnt even see the printing on the back.

Don't take this the wrong way, but if I say an SM rocking something like that, I would avoid them like the plague.

[RogueLeader]

CAPR 147-1 States

This regulation states the Army and Air Force Exchange privileges authorized Civil Air Patrol senior and cadet members by joint Air Force Regulation 147-14 and Army Regulation 60-20. These two regulations will be, referred to whenever it is necessary to quote the source of authority for exchange privileges since this CAP regulation is for information purposes only with regard to these privileges.

It is not CAPR 147-1 that really authorizes us, but AFR 147-14 and AR 60-20.

[RogueLeader]

opps, didn't see previous.

[SARMedTech]

I'm not sure if it's a different cloth or not, but I've split two sets of BBDUs from Propper (I buy them at the local uniform store), one across the seat and one right in front of the crotch area and neither on a seam. I never had this problem with Camo BDUs.

I would suggest that maybe you had some defective Proppers or seconds on your hands. I wear ONLY Proppers for EMS and until I found them managed to destroy a lot of other tact pants by doing simple things like going down on one knee to take vitals or lifting a patient on a long board.  When its available, all of my "tactical" clothing is from Propper. I actually have an old pair that I tried to pull the seems apart and couldnt do it. Of course, i wear the heavier duty variety, so that may make some difference.

[RiverAux]

Rarely do any of the "rip-stop" versions of BDUs seem to really last all that long.  Constantly ripping out the crotch area.  My current rip stop BDUs are from Propper and they've held up pretty well, but I can't really recall putting them to much field use -- too much mission staff work the last few years. 

[Ford73Diesel]

I've never had summer weight break on me, and I have some older sets. I should buy a winter set though....

[SarDragon]

AFR 147-14 and AR 60-20 are actually the same document.

[RogueLeader]

AFR 147-14 and AR 60-20 are actually the same document.

That may well be, but I doubt an Army Guard will accept an AF reg and vice versa.

[SarDragon]

AFR 147-14 and AR 60-20 are actually the same document.

That may well be, but I doubt an Army Guard will accept an AF reg and vice versa.

If you download the document, you will see that both numbers are on the cover. It is the Army and Air Force Exchange Service.

[RogueLeader]

Ah, I stand Corrected.

[Hawk200]

If you download the document, you will see that both numbers are on the cover. It is the Army and Air Force Exchange Service.

Joint documents can be handy at times.

Anyone know if there is a Navy/Marine Corps document that addresses the same issue?

[SarDragon]

What issue? CAP on USN/USMC bases? That doesn't happen all that often, and the uniform items don't quite match up. I don't ever recall seeing any mention of CAP in the exchange regs, but it has been a while since I dug into them.

[Sgt. Savage]

My wife works for NEXCOM on a navy Base. They do have a Navy reg that authorizes us patronage. I'll ask her what reg it is and get back to you. I purchase a lot of BDU and prior service medals / ribbons there. It close and well stocked.