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Ozzy
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« on: July 10, 2017, 03:35:20 PM »

Hey All,  I was on Vanguard today looking to buy two polos for the upcoming encampment and I realized Vanguard is now selling another type of CAP Polo shirt that they say is part of the CAP Working uniform. Now normally I wouldn't be bothered, but it does seem to be different then the actual one specified in CAPM 39-1.

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Male short sleeved blue tactical golf shirt, a.k.a. corporate working uniform shirt, with Civil Air Patrol (CAP) seal embroidered in full color on right side. With strategically placed mic clips and dual pen pockets. Built for performance, this snag-proof, moisture-wicking, odor-fighting shirt will keep you sharp and professional-looking. 6.6-ounce snag-proof polyester, Double-needle stitching throughout, Tag-free label, Flat knit collar, 3-button placket with dyed-to-match buttons, Mic clips at center placket and shoulders, Raglan sleeves, Reinforced dual pen pockets on left sleeve, Side vents, and Drop tail to stay tucked in.
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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2017, 03:37:39 PM »

I always wanted a tactical golf shirt...
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2017, 03:43:56 PM »

Mine came in a couple of weeks ago. The material and cut are very nice but be warned that it runs big.
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2017, 03:45:23 PM »

It's about time they got rid of the old-man pocket, and made these things out of modern materials.



https://www.vanguardmil.com/products/civil-air-patrol-uniform-tactical-golf-shirt-with-seal-male?variant=44698730255
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2017, 03:50:19 PM »

Now that looks nice. I might actually wear the Polo combo now.
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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2017, 04:02:53 PM »

Mine came in a couple of weeks ago. The material and cut are very nice but be warned that it runs big.

Welp, I bought two of them and had them customized... hope they aren't too big then! How long did it take you to get yours?
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2017, 09:48:32 PM »

Mine came in a couple of weeks ago. The material and cut are very nice but be warned that it runs big.

Welp, I bought two of them and had them customized... hope they aren't too big then! How long did it take you to get yours?

I had mine customized also and I think it only took a couple of weeks if I remember correctly. They are definitely worth the extra cost.
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2017, 08:22:28 AM »

I always wanted a tactical golf shirt...

Does that mean one has to wear tactical pants with the tactical polo?

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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2017, 08:53:20 AM »

I definitely recommend one size down. Mine's like 1.5 sizes too large.
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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2017, 08:58:07 AM »

I definitely recommend one size down. Mine's like 1.5 sizes too large.

How does the fabric compare to the polos from vendors like Under Armor or Nike?
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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2017, 12:08:38 PM »

Nice, there's a women's version too. Who wants to be the guinea pig to check the sizing? (I would but I've already blown my birthday money.)  ;D
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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2017, 12:54:31 PM »

It looks like a 5.11 brand polo.  If it is, the sizing can be a bit weird.  I have two 5.11 polos, one medium and one large.  The medium is a bit tight, but not uncomfortable.  The large feels like an extra large.  If I were to have a choice, I'd go with a Propper ICE polo, as their medium seems to be just right.  Unfortunately, they don't offer the proper (no pun intended) shade of blue.
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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2017, 08:16:57 PM »

It's about time they got rid of the old-man pocket,....

Huh?  Hope not! I need to go look and order a couple extras with pocket before they run out. That pocket is where my cell phone stays while flying!
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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2017, 08:20:38 PM »

It's about time they got rid of the old-man pocket, and made these things out of modern materials.



^^^^^ Thats the 'tactical' version. Appears to be a darker blue.

They still have the regular version with pocket:

https://www.vanguardmil.com/products/civil-air-patrol-male-golf-shirt-with-seal-uniform?variant=1153574684
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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2017, 09:48:58 PM »

It's about time they got rid of the old-man pocket, and made these things out of modern materials.



^^^^^ Thats the 'tactical' version. Appears to be a darker blue.

They still have the regular version with pocket:

https://www.vanguardmil.com/products/civil-air-patrol-male-golf-shirt-with-seal-uniform?variant=1153574684

The tactical version is pretty dark.  I saw one at a squadron meeting recently and legitimately thought that the member had had the seal embroidered on a self-purchased black polo.
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« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2017, 09:59:31 PM »

It's about time they got rid of the old-man pocket,....

Huh?  Hope not! I need to go look and order a couple extras with pocket before they run out. That pocket is where my cell phone stays while flying!

I have no doubt of that whatsoever...
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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2017, 05:36:04 AM »

The tactical version is pretty dark.  I saw one at a squadron meeting recently and legitimately thought that the member had had the seal embroidered on a self-purchased black polo.

Sounds like LAPD blue.  I just ordered one, so when it arrives I will do a side-by-side photo comparison and if I come up with anything significant I will post the pictures here.
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« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2017, 11:40:10 AM »

Sounds like LAPD blue.

I just had a quick look at 5.11's website and you're right.  Technically, they call it "Dark Navy" but is basically the same.

I really like this tactical polo variant and gladly purchase one even though I just bought an new "official" polo a few months ago.  I'm concerned though that this new polo has just quietly shown up on Vanguards site without so much as a peep out of National about it.
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« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2017, 12:48:15 PM »

I'm concerned though that this new polo has just quietly shown up on Vanguards site without so much as a peep out of National about it.

Scuttlebutt says that an update to 39-1 to allow this is "in the works," but the Vanguard side was ready before the CAP side. Or something like that.

strictly scuttlebutt, mind you.
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« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2017, 02:59:01 PM »

...the Vanguard side was ready before the CAP side.

Something, something, cart before horse, something.
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« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2017, 03:15:24 PM »

Something, something, cart before horse, something.

Oh, come on, Chuck, you've been at this as long as me. Occasionally, thats how it works.

Otherwise, we'd be saying "something, something, Vanguard, something" :)
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« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2017, 04:46:20 PM »

...the Vanguard side was ready before the CAP side.

Something, something, cart before horse, something.

Psshhh...the horse hasn't been funded for 10 years and "...the cart's gonna be great, great.  It's gonna be huge..."

The current, broken version is now 3 years old, and everything is still on hold because somebody upgraded
the machine with all the .pdfs on it to Windows 10 and now Acrobat 7 won't work, so they can't change the numbers on the first page.
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« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2017, 04:50:53 PM »

Well, looks like I'll have the polos by either Saturday or Monday... Vanguard just sent me a shipping email. Not too shabby, considering three days to ship the shirts with embroidery added. I'll send some good quality pictures comparing the two and the size differences between the XL regular polo and the XL tactical one.
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« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2017, 05:16:32 PM »

the real question is can we wear it untucked
it is, after all, tactical.
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« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2017, 07:41:27 PM »

The tactical version is pretty dark.  I saw one at a squadron meeting recently and legitimately thought that the member had had the seal embroidered on a self-purchased black polo.

Sounds like LAPD blue.  I just ordered one, so when it arrives I will do a side-by-side photo comparison and if I come up with anything significant I will post the pictures here.

LAPD calls it "midnight navy."
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« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2017, 08:15:35 PM »

"Tactical golf shirt."

What about that strikes me as funny? Other than that with my golf game, other people should be wearing them on the links.

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« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2017, 04:54:48 AM »

LAPD calls it "midnight navy."

Well if you want to be super picky we should both be calling it "PANTONE 19-4110".  Except that would actually be a real uniform quality specification and Vanguard doesn't do that.
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« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2017, 10:42:13 AM »

Oh, come on, Chuck, you've been at this as long as me. Occasionally, thats how it works.

Shh!  You'll blow my cover.  The forum system still thinks I'm new to all this.
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« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2017, 03:04:54 AM »

LAPD calls it "midnight navy."

Well if you want to be super picky we should both be calling it "PANTONE 19-4110".  Except that would actually be a real uniform quality specification and Vanguard doesn't do that.

Not being picky. Just offering a piece of trivia. Retain it and win a bar bet sometime. Or don't. I don't care.
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« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2017, 09:10:22 PM »

Good.
This is a positive update.
I wish they'd do a button-down as an option too.
Ala:
http://www.511tactical.com/511-tactical-shirt-short-sleeve-cotton.html
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« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2017, 09:05:16 AM »

A decent 5.11-style button-down might work, as long as it doesn't invoke memories of the CAP guayabera shirt option from the 1990s.  Eeesh. 
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« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2017, 09:40:33 AM »

A decent 5.11-style button-down might work, as long as it doesn't invoke memories of the CAP guayabera shirt option from the 1990s.  Eeesh.


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« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2017, 10:00:19 AM »

Anyways, I received my shipment today... And it is missing one of the shirts. However the one I did receive I am pleasantly surprised how much I like it. It does look a tad dark compared to the old polo and it is definitely longer, although my old polo has shrunk a bit since I got it. The loops on the shoulders for radio mics aren't as prominent as I expected, which is a good thing IMO. The brand is CornerStone and the shirt is called "Select Snag Proof Tactical Polo" if you want to look it up, the polo seems to get good reviews on Amazon at least...
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« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2017, 11:15:20 AM »

I wear an XL in the "standard" knit polo...how's the sizing on this one?
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« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2017, 12:25:00 PM »

I wear an XL in the "standard" knit polo...how's the sizing on this one?

How does your standard knit feel? A little snug or big? If it feels like it fits okay or a little loose, I think the XL would be right for you. If it's snug, maybe the 2XL might be better. My standard polo seems to have shrunk a little bit even though it's polyester so while it still fits, it's not as roomy as it used to be. The new polo has a slightly tapered fit it seems so while it fits pretty good now, I hope that although it's made out of polyester, it won't shrink at all or very little.
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« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2017, 02:35:37 PM »

The tactical version is pretty dark.  I saw one at a squadron meeting recently and legitimately thought that the member had had the seal embroidered on a self-purchased black polo.

Sounds like LAPD blue.  I just ordered one, so when it arrives I will do a side-by-side photo comparison and if I come up with anything significant I will post the pictures here.

Color according to the manufacturer is Dark Navy Blue. It does look pretty good though and I'll post pictures tonight
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« Reply #36 on: July 17, 2017, 03:25:03 PM »

How does your standard knit feel? A little snug or big? If it feels like it fits okay or a little loose, I think the XL would be right for you.
I'm in the okay/little loose area with the XL knit, so this is exactly what I needed to hear.  Thanks!
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« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2017, 05:38:15 PM »

Yeah, XL should be good. And here are the pictures:

Yellowish light:
White-ish light:
Outdoor light:
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« Reply #38 on: July 17, 2017, 09:06:06 PM »

Color-wise, the new shirt is closer in color to my 2003 era polo shirts than to the more recent ones. The fabric is closer, too, 60% cotton, 40% polyester.

My long sleeve shirt has the coarser weave, lighter color fabric, 35% polyester, 65% cotton.
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« Reply #39 on: July 18, 2017, 08:30:14 AM »

So, the question is: are the new tactical polos the soon-to-be default, 39-1 approved version since that'll make three versions of the embroidered polo out there - the cotton version that fades after two washes (and is no longer sold), the "new" blended version with the orange label (left side of the photos above) that seems to hold up well, and the new tactical one.
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« Reply #40 on: July 18, 2017, 09:03:17 AM »

Is your name on two lines?
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« Reply #41 on: July 18, 2017, 10:28:47 AM »

Is your name on two lines?

One line, the other line is duty position title
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« Reply #42 on: July 18, 2017, 11:07:07 AM »

Is your name on two lines?

One line, the other line is duty position title

Rog - congrats, I always wanted to be a Zek, just never found the time.
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« Reply #43 on: July 18, 2017, 11:24:15 AM »

Is your name on two lines?

One line, the other line is duty position title

Rog - congrats, I always wanted to be a Zek, just never found the time.

Heh, Was duty position supposed to be under the name? I haven't really seen too many with a duty title

On another note, after talking with Vanguard although they haven't found out what happened to my shirt, they remember making two and that they put *two* into the package but alas one appears to have gone missing. They did say they will get a new one out to me by next week.
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« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2017, 07:16:19 PM »

Heh, Was duty position supposed to be under the name? I haven't really seen too many with a duty title

This is all I could find on using a duty title:

Quote from: CAPM 39-1
5.2.2.3.1. Dark blue knit shirt with embroidered CAP seal. First and last name may be embroidered in white thread on the left breast. No rank designation is authorized. One CAP aviation, occupational badge, specialty track, duty title badge may be embroidered ˝ inch over the name.

I dunno what a "duty title badge" is, but I think that's what you have.
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« Reply #45 on: July 18, 2017, 07:23:17 PM »

Heh, Was duty position supposed to be under the name? I haven't really seen too many with a duty title

This is all I could find on using a duty title:

Quote from: CAPM 39-1
5.2.2.3.1. Dark blue knit shirt with embroidered CAP seal. First and last name may be embroidered in white thread on the left breast. No rank designation is authorized. One CAP aviation, occupational badge, specialty track, duty title badge may be embroidered ˝ inch over the name.

I dunno what a "duty title badge" is, but I think that's what you have.

Should probably just be duty title... The first few paragraphs for the Polo state this:
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5.2.2.1.1. Dark blue knit shirt (long/short sleeves) with embroidered CAP seal on the right breast. An embroidered name (first and last name) in white thread, and one‐service badge, aviation badge, occupational badge, specialty track badge or duty title on the left breast is optional.
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