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Eclipse
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« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2017, 11:59:10 PM »

Fertile ground for recruiting.

I disagree - my experience has been that people who spend the whole day in a uniform
aren't that interested in spending their off time in one, double for their kids, who
a lot of time resent the wandering the uniform forces on them.

I've seen a lot of kids with "dad in the military" cycle through CAP with little tangible success.

The transient nature of assignments doesn't help, either.

The areas that have retirees or recent separations seem to be more fertile then the
areas with a lot of active forces because all of a sudden they find themselves without
the team spirit, etc., they took for granted.
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« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2017, 12:11:49 AM »

Fertile ground for recruiting.

I disagree - my experience has been that people who spend the whole day in a uniform
aren't that interested in spending their off time in one, double for their kids, who
a lot of time resent the wandering the uniform forces on them.

I've seen a lot of kids with "dad in the military" cycle through CAP with little tangible success.

The transient nature of assignments doesn't help, either.

The areas that have retirees or recent separations seem to be more fertile then the
areas with a lot of active forces because all of a sudden they find themselves without
the team spirit, etc., they took for granted.

Fair enough.

Do LA, NYC, Chicago, Miami, and DFW (just based upon population density?) have the same CAP cadet population density as the greater DMV area does?
If it's retirees, I guess we'd investigate FL, TX, and NC - they seem to draw a good % of the retirees I have ever known.

Maybe it's just proximity to DoD stuff that helps the DMV squadrons?
Thoughts?
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« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2017, 11:55:27 AM »

You're both right. We do benefit from big gov being so close by. We lose some people to military rotations, but more importantly we have a lot of folks with busy jobs and long commutes, which means they're able to commit less time to CAP. So we have a lot of seniors doing a little to chip in, rather than a few who have the hours to commit to the time consuming duty assignments (like command).

Also, "the DMV" is a pretty sizable geographic area that has its own subcultures and peculiarities. Some of the NATCAP and MDWG squadrons may be more impacted by DoD personnel rotations than Leesburg is.

Another point is that this is a high cost of living area. I know I'm not retiring here, and in fact most people don't retire here. Let's be honest, a lot of the work of CAP, especially the flying, is done by folks who are not working full time. We have a smaller pool of those people relative to our population.

All of this is to say -- yes, the raw numbers are large, but we still have our challenges like everyone else.
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« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2017, 12:56:39 PM »

NVM things like the traffic in that area is *awful* for the density.  Its not like driving in downtown Boston, where you *expect* it to be horrible. You're 20+ miles out of the city, even, and going from Point A to Point B that are 5 miles apart might take you close to an hour between 4 & 6pm depending on direction. That kind of factor has an impact on your recruiting area, etc.



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« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2017, 02:02:18 PM »

The last time I looked (and it's been a while), all of the NatCap Wing were meeting outside the DC city limits, i.e. VA & MD, leading to more commute issues.
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« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2017, 02:02:58 PM »

The last time I looked (and it's been a while), all of the NatCap Wing were meeting outside the DC city limits, i.e. VA & MD, leading to more commute issues.

Not precisely true anymore.
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« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2017, 02:09:11 PM »

An issue we have in ORD is people don't >live< in the loop.  At night it's a ghost town
and there aren't any airports or community type-centers in the downtown area, either.

Certainly not much that the average CAP unit could afford.  If you find a place, there's no
(free) parking, and if you commute you find yourself on the L at 1000 at night. No thanks.

That "cool dude in the next cube who wants to help kids" actually takes two trains and lives
nowhere near a unit.  The near neighborhoods are all but suburbs themselves, and at that point
it's easier just to try and hit an established unit.

This is why the second largest city in the country has essentially zero CAP presence.

I recently tried to poach make an opportunity for one of my wings highest performers.
He works in the loop and lives nearby.  Despite having a train station well near reasonable on
both ends for his office, there was nothing near his house.  No matter how we did the math nothing
was reasonable.  He was looking at 2-3 hours of commute time for a 2.5 hour meeting, and if he missed
a train on the late side, he might be sleeping at the airport until the AM commutes start.

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« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2017, 02:18:23 PM »

The last time I looked (and it's been a while), all of the NatCap Wing were meeting outside the DC city limits, i.e. VA & MD, leading to more commute issues.

Not precisely true anymore.

OK, I looked. There is now a unit meeting at Anacostia, which is still not a commuter's dream.
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