UDF

[ElectricPenguin]

What is the purpose of UDF? DO you need that for GTM??? Why isn't UDF part of GTM?

[davidsinn]

1. To field more DFs with less people in civilized areas.
2. No
3. Good question

[ol'fido]

If your GT is not fully trained in DF,you are doing it wrong.

[EMT-83]

U as in Urban. DF without the running around in the woods.

Compare the task guides.

[Spaceman3750]

UDF includes all DF-related tasks from the GTM3 SQTR. In that respect, GTMs and UDFs get the same training.

UDF gets a bit more map training that GTMs get at level 2. That's because GTM3 has a bunch of field-oriented tasks.

In short, both GTM and UDF can DF, it's just who does the mapwork and the environment in which you operate (UDF being restricted to urban areas).

[lordmonar]

Well....if I were god.....UDF would be like MS for aircrew.....and there would only be one GTM.

[davidsinn]

Well....if I were god.....UDF would be like MS for aircrew.....and there would only be one GTM.

Like this?

[lordmonar]

Yep.

[Private Investigator]

What is the purpose of UDF? DO you need that for GTM??? Why isn't UDF part of GTM?

In downtown Las Vegas you can follow the street signs to the ELT in the pawn shop. Afterwards have that $12 sundae at Circus Circus instead of manning up on an expired MRE in a stand of poison oak.

[JeffDG]

UDF is for people who want to be able to do DF stuff in an urban area, and have no real interest in going out in the boonies.

Lots of aircrew members like UDF because they can disembark from the plane and DF an ELT on the airport to whichever hanger the guy parked in after the hard landing!

[lordmonar]

UDF is for people who want to be able to do DF stuff in an urban area, and have no real interest in going out in the boonies.

Lots of aircrew members like UDF because they can disembark from the plane and DF an ELT on the airport to whichever hanger the guy parked in after the hard landing!

They can do that with out UDF.

MP task O-2007 Locate and Deactivate an ELT on the ground

[JeffDG]

UDF is for people who want to be able to do DF stuff in an urban area, and have no real interest in going out in the boonies.

Lots of aircrew members like UDF because they can disembark from the plane and DF an ELT on the airport to whichever hanger the guy parked in after the hard landing!

They can do that with out UDF.

MP task O-2007 Locate and Deactivate an ELT on the ground

That's the MP.  Not the MO, MS or AP.

[davidsinn]

UDF is for people who want to be able to do DF stuff in an urban area, and have no real interest in going out in the boonies.

Lots of aircrew members like UDF because they can disembark from the plane and DF an ELT on the airport to whichever hanger the guy parked in after the hard landing!

They can do that with out UDF.

MP task O-2007 Locate and Deactivate an ELT on the ground

That's the MP.  Not the MO, MS or AP.

Since every aircrew that does a search has an MP then your DF needs are covered...

[JeffDG]

UDF is for people who want to be able to do DF stuff in an urban area, and have no real interest in going out in the boonies.

Lots of aircrew members like UDF because they can disembark from the plane and DF an ELT on the airport to whichever hanger the guy parked in after the hard landing!

They can do that with out UDF.

MP task O-2007 Locate and Deactivate an ELT on the ground

That's the MP.  Not the MO, MS or AP.

Since every aircrew that does a search has an MP then your DF needs are covered...

So, you land, the MP gets out and the MO and MS hang out at the plane?  Without a UDF, they're not qualified to leave the aircraft in search of a DF target.

[lordmonar]

UDF is for people who want to be able to do DF stuff in an urban area, and have no real interest in going out in the boonies.

Lots of aircrew members like UDF because they can disembark from the plane and DF an ELT on the airport to whichever hanger the guy parked in after the hard landing!

They can do that with out UDF.

MP task O-2007 Locate and Deactivate an ELT on the ground

That's the MP.  Not the MO, MS or AP.

Since every aircrew that does a search has an MP then your DF needs are covered...

So, you land, the MP gets out and the MO and MS hang out at the plane?  Without a UDF, they're not qualified to leave the aircraft in search of a DF target.

Really....the MS and MO aren't qualified to walk around the airport.  Talk about being an assinine rules monger 

[lordmonar]

UDF is for people who want to be able to do DF stuff in an urban area, and have no real interest in going out in the boonies.

Lots of aircrew members like UDF because they can disembark from the plane and DF an ELT on the airport to whichever hanger the guy parked in after the hard landing!

They can do that with out UDF.

MP task O-2007 Locate and Deactivate an ELT on the ground

That's the MP.  Not the MO, MS or AP.

What you carrying three DF units on an airplane?

[davidsinn]

UDF is for people who want to be able to do DF stuff in an urban area, and have no real interest in going out in the boonies.

Lots of aircrew members like UDF because they can disembark from the plane and DF an ELT on the airport to whichever hanger the guy parked in after the hard landing!

They can do that with out UDF.

MP task O-2007 Locate and Deactivate an ELT on the ground

That's the MP.  Not the MO, MS or AP.

Since every aircrew that does a search has an MP then your DF needs are covered...

So, you land, the MP gets out and the MO and MS hang out at the plane?  Without a UDF, they're not qualified to leave the aircraft in search of a DF target.

Really? Is walking around an airfield that difficult? You forget that an airfield is the start and end point of a flight so it's no different than walking to the FBO to take a leak... Using your logic I as a GTL can't lead a team because not everyone on the team has the same qualifications as me?

[NCRblues]

Really? Is walking around an airfield that difficult? You forget that an airfield is the start and end point of a flight so it's no different than walking to the FBO to take a leak... Using your logic I as a GTL can't lead a team because not everyone on the team has the same qualifications as me?

Try it at airventure, with 15,000 A/C on the ramp plus hundreds of metal buildings and cars 

[Eclipse]

Really? Is walking around an airfield that difficult? You forget that an airfield is the start and end point of a flight so it's no different than walking to the FBO to take a leak... Using your logic I as a GTL can't lead a team because not everyone on the team has the same qualifications as me?

As a GTL, your team's abilities drop to the lowest common denominator of your members, this is the disadvantage of the three-tiered system.

As to aircrews doing ground searching, only the MP has any qualification for doing DF, and it should be a pretty basic search, because he has no "team"
as defined by the UDF minimums, and no one with him in the airplane has any qualification in that regard (unless the do, separate from their aircrew cert).

This is why we should require all aircrew members to also be UDF, or include the important UDF tasks in all the aircrew ratings. 

People like to make things up for expediency, without thinking of the consequences down the road.

"Mr. Scanner, you have requested benefits based on the injuries sustained when the L-Per you were carrying struck an electric wire while you
were prosecuting an ELT search.  When were you trained in the use of that device and who certified your abilities?"

"Well, on Captalk they said I didn't need any training..."

[davidsinn]

Really? Is walking around an airfield that difficult? You forget that an airfield is the start and end point of a flight so it's no different than walking to the FBO to take a leak... Using your logic I as a GTL can't lead a team because not everyone on the team has the same qualifications as me?

As a GTL, your team's abilities drop to the lowest common denominator of your members, this is the disadvantage of the three-tiered system.

As to aircrews doing ground searching, only the MP has any qualification for doing DF, and it should be a pretty basic search, because he has no "team"
as defined by the UDF minimums, and no one with him in the airplane has any qualification in that regard.

This is why we should require all aircrew members to also be UDF, or include the important UDF tasks in all the aircrew ratings. 

People like to make things up for expediency, without thinking of the consequences down the road.

"Mr. Scanner, you have requested benefits based on the injuries sustained when the L-Per you were carrying struck an electric wire while you
were prosecuting an ELT search.  When were you trained in the use of that device and who certified your abilities?"

"Well, on Captalk they said I didn't need any training..."

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. The MP does the DF. The other two are just along for a walk. You don't need two people trained to use the DF when there is only one device to use. The majority of UDF training is useless to an aircrew that can't even leave the airfield.