ICUT???

[belletara]

Does anyone know whether or not ICUT has gone online, and if not when it is planned to??
I had 53 cadets and seniors (5 seniors that is) that are trying to figure out whether or not it
Would be worth scheduling an BCUT/ACUT training weekend series... Or just wait for the ICUT???

[Extremepredjudice]

No one knows on the ICUT. don't bother waiting, get the ACUT/BCUT training.

[MSG Mac]

According to the National Administrators quarterly OPen Cockpit column, I-Cut is in beta testing and should be released by the end of the March

[rustyjeeper]

According to the National Administrators quarterly OPen Cockpit column, I-Cut is in beta testing and should be released by the end of the March

I also heard that and I also heard that an announcement authorizing ABU's would be released simoltaneously 

[Walkman]

...get the ACUT/BCUT training.

...I-Cut is in beta testing and should be released by the end of the March

Does anyone know if once I-Cut is released if those with A-Cut will have to take it or will that qual be grandfathered?

[davidsinn]

...get the ACUT/BCUT training.

...I-Cut is in beta testing and should be released by the end of the March

Does anyone know if once I-Cut is released if those with A-Cut will have to take it or will that qual be grandfathered?

This is CAP, of course we will have to take it. Just like everybody had to take intro to safety...

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[UpstateSAR]

I also heard that and I also heard that an announcement authorizing ABU's would be released simoltaneously 

and we all know how that ends.

[rustyjeeper]

On a more serious note. My money is on a "semi grandfather" basis for those who have A-Cut completed.... We will likely be allowed to continue in our jobs and be given six months to a year to take the I-Cut course. There is no way we would get a free pass and be excused as someone prior mentioned "this is CAP" 

[lordmonar]

I would take the ICUT training anyways....just to see what it is all about.  Also....if they follow the original ICUT plan...there will be more specialties within the COMMS training and just B-CUT/A-CUT.

[arajca]

No grandfathering. Everyone who wants to be involved with Comm is some fashion (this includes anyone whose ES quals require B-CUT) will need to complete I-CUT within their recertification cycle. I-CUT is supposed to contain a bunch of new information regarding our current system AND it requires a hands-on test. Eventually, there will be a classroom version released, however, National is developing requirements for who can instruct it. The "I-just-took-B-CUT-and-I-know-everything-about-it" instructor crowd will find themselves not authorized.

B-CUT/A-CUT - for now, just do it. I-CUT is already more than two years behind schedule. The dreams desires of National are irrelevent.

[Persona non grata]

So when is this going to Happen?  Comm geek squad stil cant figure it out!

[ol'fido]

A group of seniors did the ICUT instructors course last summer at encampment. This was a beta test version and still had several glitches and incorrect answers on it. One of them told me that just like a lot of CAP "revisions" there is no really new material just a repackaging of the "same old, same old".

[Spaceman3750]

Supposedly ICUT was beta'd at NESA this year as well.

[Larry Mangum]

ICUT was beta'ed at NESA this last year. From that it is my understanding, that thoses us who already have ACUT will only have to take module 2 of the ICUT to start.  Eventually as they change the program even more, there will be additinal modules that will need to be taken depending upon your ratings.

[Brad]

Cannot stress this enough: take BCUT/ACUT while you still can!! If you do this then you will be grandfathered radio privileges for 2 years after ICUT starts. If nobody in your squadron has BCUT/ACUT then they have to immediately take ICUT....all 30-something modules. The problem of course is that us the instructors will still be learning the new curriculum too so you'll be on your own.

So yea, take BCUT/ACUT. Same privileges in the end, just different approach.

[Eclipse]

ICUT was beta'ed at NESA this last year. From that it is my understanding, that thoses us who already have ACUT will only have to take module 2 of the ICUT to start.  Eventually as they change the program even more, there will be additinal modules that will need to be taken depending upon your ratings.

This is what I've heard as well.

I also understand that the lower-levels are much more operator-focused (vs. radio theory, etc.)

[Private Investigator]

ICUT = Introductory Communications Users Training will be senior to "Advance" Communications Users Training? Who would have thunk that?

Anyways is ICUT still going to be taken online? I really think CAP is totally unaware of the K.I.S.S. principle   

[arajca]

ICUT = Introductory Communications Users Training will be senior to "Advance" Communications Users Training? Who would have thunk that?

Anyways is ICUT still going to be taken online? I really think CAP is totally unaware of the K.I.S.S. principle   

ICUT will not senior to ACUT. ICUT will REPLACE ACUT. ICUT is not an additional level. It replaces both BCUT and ACUT.

Yes, ICUT is planned to be online, but they are going to have a classroom version as well. Both will have a hands on section that needs to be completed before you get credit for the training. National is supposedly developing standards for instructors and evaluators, but they haven't told anyone outside of the Super Secret Comunications Training Committee^TM what those standards will be and if anyone outside of said committee will be permitted to instruct ICUT or administer the hands on component.

[Walkman]

Anyways is ICUT still going to be taken online?

Yes, ICUT is planned to be online, but they are going to have a classroom version as well. Both will have a hands on section that needs to be completed before you get credit for the training

I like some online training, but IMO, for something like this, it would have to be WAY better than a few PPT slides.

[Spaceman3750]

Blended learning will be worse than strictly online learning for ICUT simply because it will be hell getting everyone to do the online portion. It's one thing to sit everyone in the same room on a meeting night and say "Here, learn", it's another thing to get them to go home and do something on the dreaded computer.

[Eclipse]

Just make it a Facebook app where they think they are voting on J-Lo's latest red carpet appearance and you'll have it done in an hour.

[Spaceman3750]

Just make it a Facebook app where they think they are voting on J-Lo's latest red carpet appearance and you'll have it done in an hour.

+1

[arajca]

Anyways is ICUT still going to be taken online?

Yes, ICUT is planned to be online, but they are going to have a classroom version as well. Both will have a hands on section that needs to be completed before you get credit for the training

I like some online training, but IMO, for something like this, it would have to be WAY better than a few PPT slides.

According to some information that escaped from the aforementioned committee, most of it is video, not death by powerpoint.

[lordmonar]

I don't care about the format so much.....so long as the training pipeline is not funneled down to one or two people in the wing.

ACUT/BCUT is such a pain because only a handful of people have been graced by COMM as being able to teach it.

ICUT...basic user level....needs to be an on-line training with a practical sign off by the squadron comm officer.
ES Comm needs to be signed off by an ES comm SETS.
Upper level Comm can be signed off by wing and higher comm.

STOP Bottle Necking the training!

[Eclipse]

^ I agree, by the time you would get to using a radio for anything critical, you would be trained and monitored by someone directly (i.e. MRO, CUL, ES use, etc.).

[rustyjeeper]

I don't care about the format so much.....so long as the training pipeline is not funneled down to one or two people in the wing.

ACUT/BCUT is such a pain because only a handful of people have been graced by COMM as being able to teach it.

ICUT...basic user level....needs to be an on-line training with a practical sign off by the squadron comm officer.
ES Comm needs to be signed off by an ES comm SETS.
Upper level Comm can be signed off by wing and higher comm.

STOP Bottle Necking the training!

You sir hit the nail on the head!
WE BOTTLENECK ourselves repeatedly.
And so many people are so stuck on the regulations and "policies" real and imagined that nothing ever gets done. A cadet can go years without being signed off thru no fault of their own... Seniors also, but I get frustrated looking at the cadet end of the spectrum- we seniors have a bit more flexibility.
Some regions have term limits for Wing King and Unit Commanders which can be a good thing. Unfortunately there is little rotation of those in other vital positions who may be "entrenched" in the way things have been done and an incoming officer has a lot on his plate and may not even know what is going on. I wish that all positions within Wings and Regions would rotate on a cycle of some kind. I think it would help keep things fresh and encourage change.

[Eclipse]

Wing CC terms are prescribed nationally.

[lordmonar]

This is not so much about people being entrenched......as opposed to the system being entrenched.

CAP COMM is program in and of itself AND it is a function of ES.

I can do all my ES training organiclly.....including all the "use radios in ES" tasks.....but I still have to go to wing to get a "certfified BCUT insturctor" to come out to my squadron to do BCUT.

They don't share the information, they don't share the training slides.
They try to tell me it is because they "want to control the quality of the training"....but I have has some really bad BCUT instructors.

On the ES side of the house.....no one really cares about ACUT/BCUT in the field.  "here's a radio..we are on channel 2...you are Bigman 2...and I am Bigman 1.....let's go!" (this by the way was the extend of my "radio" training I got in the USAF.

I am not saying training is not important.....I am saying the "all holy of holies BCUT and your CAP ROP card" is not all that important.  Proper supervision is the key to training new comm operators.

[EMT-83]

+1  Now everyone forward that post to your Wing DC.

Only kidding, but it did hit the nail squarely on the head

[rustyjeeper]

+1  Now everyone forward that post to your Wing DC.

Only kidding, but it did hit the nail squarely on the head

Yes it did!
and we have some EXCELLENT people we would lose if all positions were rotated as I suggested. BUT we also have some who perpetuate bottlenecking and do their very best to keep things as they are in the name of "better quality" training.
Remove the roadblocks and the programs will improve and our capabilities increase as a result. Now it can take years to get people qualified and even if you have a qualified evaluator you can't use them unless they are Wing approved. I know of people who have been signed off at NESA and come home only to be told they are not qualified to evaluate since the training wasnt done the way Wing wants it done. That may have changed I do not know- but to me that indicates a problem if still the case.

[Private Investigator]

Wing CC terms are prescribed nationally.

What about Region DC, Wing DC, Group DC and even Squadron DC? We all have seen or know people that has been a 'place holder' for way to long. It is one thing to be exceptional at your assignment its another when somebody is just filling a Staff position.

JMHO   

[PHall]

Wing CC terms are prescribed nationally.

Cite please?

[Duke Dillio]

Wing CC terms are prescribed nationally.

Cite please?

CAP Constitution and Bylaws, Article XIV, 1g:

"Wing commanders shall serve a probationary period of one year followed by a three-year term of
office. The region commander may grant an additional one-year term with the concurrence of the
National Commander. Any time during the probationary period, the region commander may remove the
wing commander with or without cause and without a right of appeal except as provided in Article XVI."

EDIT: Added quotes