Should this really NOT happen?

[Major Lord]

There is an In& Out burger right off the Travis Exit on the way to Travis AFB. Lots of uniform people. We don't have "Steak and Shake" or "Piggly Wiggly's" in California, but you don't have El Pollo Loco! People buy the T-shirts because they are from the best chain ( actually, one family owned ) of burger joints in the free world. All their employees look like Mormon Boy Scouts or the Girl next store that was too goodnice  for you. Not a nose piercing in the group, and each and every one of them speaks English! It's a great place for an after meeting dinner with the SQ.

When Cadets come to CAWG for encampment, there are two places they want to go a) In & Out ( they could be from dirka-dirkistan and still want I&O burgers and shakes) And of course, b) The famous church of the black Jesus outside Camp SLO, where Cadets have stopped for years to have their picture taken in front of the stained glass window. ( The people who actually go to the church have no idea why there are cadets lined up for photos in front of their church, so please don't tell them!)

To address the 2b comment someone made earlier, I don't think that you can 2b a member for "cause" after they resign; That would not be sporting. Sending in a 2b form on a voluntary drop out is probably the right thing to do, but a post facto 2b "For cause" could infringe on a members right to appeal the decision. Its interesting to note that pregnancy is no longer  cause to 2b a Cadet, and that "Sexual Deviancy" is no longer cause to terminate a Senior Member. So unmarried, pregnant cadets must be retained, but married pregnant cadets must be 2b'd . Sometimes the world is just too darn complicated!

Major Lord

[ol'fido]

And no coming back without a waiver signed by the National Commander and Executive Director.

Technically true, but for clarity CAPF 2B is the form used anytime a membership is terminated for any reason, including
voluntary resignation.  "2B" is used as short-hand in the same way "court martial" or "Article 15" are used in the military since in
most cases it is used when an adverse condition requires involuntary termination.

I had one case where a cadet requested a voluntary 2B and then came back later as a senior with no issue.

In addition to voluntary resignation, members in the respective category may be terminated for the below reasons:

Cadets:

DROPPED OUT OF SCHOOL
MARRIED
LACK OF INTEREST (failure to attend three meetings without acceptable excuse)
JOINED ARMED FORCES (Include service academics)
MOVED FROM THE AREA, DID NOT REQUEST TRANSFER.
FAILED TO PROGRESS SATISFACTORILY IN THE CAP CADET PROGRAM   
MISCONDUCT (Summary of circumstances must be included)
FAILURE TO MAINTAIN ACCEPTABLE ACADEMIC RECORD IN SCHOOL

Seniors:

CONDUCT INVOLVING MORAL TURPITUDE
CONDUCT UNBECOMING A MEMBER OF CAP
CONVICTION OR FELONY
SEPARATION FROM ARMED FORCES WITH OTHER THAN HONORABLE DISCHARGE
SERIOUS OR WILLFUL VIOLATION OF CAP
MAKING A FALSE STATEMENT TO OR CONCERNING CAP REGULATIONS OR DIRECTIVES
HABITUAL FAILURE TO PERFORM DUTY
SUBSTANDARD PERFORMANCE OF DUTY OVER EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME
FAILURE TO OBEY RULES, REGULATIONS AND ORDERS OF HIGHER AUTHORITY
INSUBORDINATION
FINANCIAL IRRESPONSIBILITY
ILLITERACY
OTHER. (Explain)

Cadets who attend the service academies are not required to terminate their membership or turn senior(until the turn 21 anyway). CAPR 39-2 Para 2-5.

[Eclipse]

Cadets who attend the service academies are not required to terminate their membership or turn senior(until the turn 21 anyway). CAPR 39-2 Para 2-5.[/quote]

Correct - the above is just a copy / paste direct from the current rev of the form.

[a2capt]

...and Steak & Shake has appeared in Las Vegas, however buried in a casino as yet another lure to drag you past the machines so you'll pull that handle and perhaps never make it to that food counter ...

On the pregnant cadet, it's because of equality. Male can make female pregnant, and female gets the 2B. So.. the solution, a maternity uniform for cadets.

Great role model, too. ;-)

[Eclipse]

Ignore - tried to fix my quotes above.

[pilot97]

There's In-N-Out in the suburbs of Dallas now..

I think this got off subject.  :angel:

At least we aren't talking about uniforms 

I was thinking the same thing...could we stick to what this topic is on please?

[SARDOC]

To address the 2b comment someone made earlier, I don't think that you can 2b a member for "cause" after they resign; That would not be sporting. Sending in a 2b form on a voluntary drop out is probably the right thing to do, but a post facto 2b "For cause" could infringe on a members right to appeal the decision. Its interesting to note that pregnancy is no longer  cause to 2b a Cadet, and that "Sexual Deviancy" is no longer cause to terminate a Senior Member. So unmarried, pregnant cadets must be retained, but married pregnant cadets must be 2b'd . Sometimes the world is just too darn complicated!

Well...I think it depends on context.  If the member is voluntarily resigning to avoid being terminated for cause, I think it would be in the best interest of Civil Air Patrol to have that member terminated for Cause.   Voluntary resignations would be okay for those that just stop showing up to meetings instead of being 2b'd for Habitual failure to perform duties.  But If you find out that Property becomes missing and it's traced back to a member and the member tries to resign before being booted...then a Causal 2B would be in order. 

How would 2b'ing a member for cause infringe on their appellate process? Unless your premise is that they can't appeal because they have already terminated their membership.

There is no appeals process for a voluntary resignation.  There is one for Causal termination.  If a Commander has a valid reason for terminating membership instead of allowing the member to resign, the resignation should be denied and the Causal action process initiated.