facebook mishap

[jman5222]

so lets say that a couple of people were talking on facebook about other people that they did not like, and they said some rude things, and some how the squadron commander found out what they were talking about. the commander kicked out 4 cadets at 1 time, for doing this, i would like to fix my mistakes and maybe (if they let me) rejoin the squadron.

[EMT-83]

Work it out with your commander. What the folks here think about the situation is irrelevant.

[JayT]

So lets say that a couple of people were talking on Facebook about other people that they did not like, and they said some rude things, and somehow the squadron commander found out what they were talking about. The commander kicked out four cadets at one time, for doing this. I would like to fix my mistakes and maybe (if they let me) rejoin the squadron.

Take it as a lesson learned. Be careful what you post on Facebook. Go try to apologize to your former Squadron CC. Mature a little bit.

[Eclipse]

Take it as a lesson learned. Be careful what you post on Facebook. Go try to apologize to your former Squadron CC. Mature a little bit.

It must have been fairly serious for a Unit CC to terminate 4 cadets, that or their reaction to the situation may have been in appropriate.
Regardless, there are a few avenues of appeal potentially open to you, but if you have any hope of rejoining at the previous unit, as said,
you're going to need to show yo understand the mistake and how and what you plan to change.

[jman5222]

yah, i know that i have to show that i learned a lesson here, even if it was the hard way , but what if the squadron commander is my dad?

[EMT-83]

Then he can 2B you and inflict the appropriate corporal punishment.

[Майор Хаткевич]

yah, i know that i have to show that i learned a lesson here, even if it was the hard way , but what if the squadron commander is my dad?

Then you just may end up being the "example". 

[jman5222]

yes, i might be, me and 4 other people will be, we are probably going to go to another squadron, once my friend turns 16

[Short Field]

If you were 2B'd for cause, it might not be that easy to rejoin.  Were you 2B'd, suspended, or asked to voluntarily resign?

When I get bored at night, I start following links to check on the cadets in my squadron.  It is amazing how many cadets you can check on and they never know you were there.  The "Friend of a Friend" stuff will kill you on Facebook.

[Eclipse]

yes, i might be, me and 4 other people will be, we are probably going to go to another squadron, once my friend turns 16

We're you terminated or just told to GTHO?

[HGjunkie]

If you were 2B'd for cause, it might not be that easy to rejoin.  Were you 2B'd, suspended, or asked to voluntarily resign?

When I get bored at night, I start following links to check on the cadets in my squadron.  It is amazing how many cadets you can check on and they never know you were there.  The "Friend of a Friend" stuff will kill you on Facebook.

That's why I keep my privacy settings set to "Friends only" for EVERYTHING. No "friends of friends" crap.

[jman5222]

my privacy is all friends only, and i wasn't 2B'ed. thank god..... i was just kicked out of the squadron, for an undefined amount of time, i usually never post anything about CAP on my Facebook, but these were messages that i sent, and some how they got sent to the CC, and the deputy commander, and my dad, by someone in the chat.

[Al Sayre]

Guess the old adage still applies:  If you can't say something nice about someone, then it's best to say nothing at all.  (or at least be very vague )

[Eclipse]

The only way to "win" at FB is not to play.

It also sounds like you're more "grounded" than terminated, and if your dad doesn't handle things right, it could wind up coming back on him.
CAP has very specific rules about terminations and suspensions, especially for cadets, and they don't include informal "through the door or out the window".  You're stuck with whatever dad says, but the other cadets have a right to process.

[Major Lord]

Actually, other than whatever punishment his Dad may inflict privately, the Cadet enjoys the full protection of the Regulations as they are written. If Dad kicks him out by not letting him play CAP, he is within his rights, but if his Commander subjects him to inappropriate and extra-regulatory punishment  the Cadet is within his rights to  take it up the food chain. Since this non 2B (seemingly) applied to several other Cadets, I think a chat with the Group Cadet Programs Officer and the Commander to clarify and distinguish his power and roles would be appropriate. I would be interested to know if there was a pattern of contumely or mutinous behavior amongst these cadets, and whether at any point they were appropriately counseled (Not Wall-toWall) in the form of a Form 50 review or other documented meeting. Stay off facebook! You may need a security clearance or a job someday, and anything you say can and will be used against you.

Major Lord

[jman5222]

this post is done with now, thank you all for your awnsers, now.....can someone tell me how to deleate this post, so that i stop reciving notifacations that people have posted on it after im done with it? thanks

[JayT]

This thread is done with now, thank you all for your answers, now.....can someone tell me how to delete this post, so that I stop receiving notifications that people have posted on it after I'm done with it? Thanks

Not liking the answers? Grow up dude.

[jman5222]

i like the awnsers, and i under stand them, i just dont want the notifacations, and want 2 deleate this post, help?

[SARDOC]

Well stop nuking your posts.  It's bad form.  You can stop the notifications in your preferences.

[JC004]

Well stop nuking your posts.  It's bad form.  You can stop the notifications in your preferences.

Self moderate before you click submit....  Once you post it, you own it.

[Short Field]

If you don't want to see something posted on the squadron bulletin board, don't send it via e-mail or post it on-line.

[jman5222]

im done with this post, ive got all the information that i want, and i want it deleated, no disrespect, but i have choises to, yah i may own it, in the same way that i own a trash can, and i want this in my trash can

[Майор Хаткевич]

You cannot delete this. Simple a that.

[HGjunkie]

I have to wonder, what does "deleate" mean?

[Major Lord]

Wouldn't that be sweet if we could just go back and erase some of the old things we said or did? Sorry, lad, its now in your permanent record. No " do-overs."

Major Lord

[a2capt]

Some more advice. Go back and pay attention in English class, or make the best of the remaining ones you have coming.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

Then he can 2B you and inflict the appropriate corporal punishment.

My dad was my Scoutmaster when I was a Scout.  It wasn't fun.  I had a rougher time than anyone else in the troop...I suppose it was him trying to prove he wasn't being partial to his kid.

One thing I try to emphasise to our cadets, almost ad nauseam, is that NOTHING you post or say on the Internet (including here) is truly "private."

Try and heed a2capt's advice...the "texting" era has made a butchery of the language.

[Eclipse]

One thing I try to emphasise to our cadets, almost ad nauseam, is that NOTHING you post or say on the Internet (including here) is truly "private."

One could make the argument that no lesson was learned in the discipline, and that further "explanation" is necessary.  Someone who
gets himself in trouble for online behavior, then causes further issues regarding the same subject and situation in a different forum clearly
doesn't understand the nature and inter-connectivity of these forums, much less Facebook, Google, etc.

Not exactly "lesson learned, move on".

[N Harmon]

Posting stuff on the internet is like saying something in public. Some people take longer than others to learn this.

By the way, Facebook privacy to avoid getting caught does not seem right with the core values to me. Just saying.

[majdomke]

If you would just read your email notifications they clearly state:

Unsubscribe to this topic by using this link:

There is also a button at the bottom of the page Unnotify

[HGjunkie]

By the way, Facebook privacy to avoid getting caught does not seem right with the core values to me. Just saying.

I'm having trouble following the notion of not having your page wide open for people to see to be against the core values.

[lordmonar]

By the way, Facebook privacy to avoid getting caught does not seem right with the core values to me. Just saying.

I'm having trouble following the notion of not having your page wide open for people to see to be against the core values.

If you are ONLY locking down your page so you can bad mouth your peers or otherwise say things you should not......then you are violating the core values of integrity and respect.

[HGjunkie]

By the way, Facebook privacy to avoid getting caught does not seem right with the core values to me. Just saying.

I'm having trouble following the notion of not having your page wide open for people to see to be against the core values.

If you are ONLY locking down your page so you can bad mouth your peers or otherwise say things you should not......then you are violating the core values of integrity and respect.

Which, really, isn't the big issue. If you have a cadet bad-mouthing other people in CAP, regardless of privacy settings there's a core value problem.

[majdomke]

I've heard of an issue on FB where one of the cadet staff noticed a post by a cadet where he/she was holding up a bottle of alcohol in celebration. When he/she called him/her on it, they un-friended them. Seems to be a constant occurrence where cadets and seniors forget they are bound to the code of conduct or core values, even when not in uniform or at CAP activities. Otherwise, what's the point of swearing an oath if you only mean for that oath to apply once a week for a couple hours.

[N Harmon]

I'm having trouble following the notion of not having your page wide open for people to see to be against the core values.

You probably did not mean it in the manner it came across, but after the OP expressed regret about bad-mouthing people on Facebook you replied "That's why I keep my privacy settings set to[...]".  Obviously you get it why privacy settings do not absolve you of the core values, so nothing more need be said.

I would also like to add that sometimes privacy is necessary to discuss things frankly with someone. Social networking websites are not the appropriate avenue for such conversations. E-mail is only marginally better.

[jman5222]

Just as an FYI to everyone, the privacy settings, sometimes don't work.  Sometimes people can still see what you have said, even if its in a private chat.

[HGjunkie]

Just as an FYI to everyone, the privacy settings, sometimes don't work.  Sometimes people can still see what you have said, even if its in a private chat.

I'd like to see some sort of proof for that.

[DakRadz]

Just as an FYI to everyone, the privacy settings, sometimes don't work.  Sometimes people can still see what you have said, even if its in a private chat.

You're absolutely right. When you post it on a public forum like CAP Talk, it is no longer a truly private matter.

[Eclipse]

Just as an FYI to everyone, the privacy settings, sometimes don't work.  Sometimes people can still see what you have said, even if its in a private chat.

I'd like to see some sort of proof for that.

It's not an issue of what is (or isn't) "private" today, it's what might be tomorrow.  Zukerberg changes the TOS so often you literally need a scorecard to
keep up, and nothing, absolutely nothing, you put in there is shielded from the purveyors of soap.  It might be anonymized, but it isn't a secret internally.

You could very well wake up tomorrow to find Marie-Mark has decided that all your base are belong to him, and wide open for all to see.
You get what you pay for, which is one of twelve reasons why Facebook messaging was such a joke.

[flyboy53]

True.

The unfortunate lesson for this cadet is that once you post something on the Internet, it's public and goes EVERYWHERE!

The real lesson here is one of restraint, computer etiquette, and not to participate in what is essentially cyber bullying.