Finally Started HAM radio!

Started by maverik, April 09, 2010, 02:47:50 AM

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maverik

Well after a long period I am finally (along with a quarter of my squadron) enrolled in a technician HAM course!  Some of it seems pretty simple with the EIR and PIE formulas.  Along with technician I am also self-studying general and extra class since I can pay for technician then take general if I pass and then extra if I pass general for no cost my instructor said so I figured why not?  Anyways any tips or advice from the operators here on CT?
KC9SFU
Fresh from the Mint C/LT
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne

Jerry Jacobs

The test for Technician is easy enough, however the General test is MUCH more difficult with harder electrical theory.  However you can just take the online test enough times to pass both tests if you really want to.  But if you want to pass both and know the stuff, be prepared for lots and lots of studying.

KJ6CCE

JoeTomasone

Quote from: Jerry Jacobs on April 09, 2010, 03:52:40 AM
The test for Technician is easy enough, however the General test is MUCH more difficult with harder electrical theory.  However you can just take the online test enough times to pass both tests if you really want to.  But if you want to pass both and know the stuff, be prepared for lots and lots of studying.

KJ6CCE

+1.   Learn as much as you can about antenna theory, emergency power, and proper operating technique in nets and the like.  All of those skills will come in handy in CAP comms as well. 

AB2M / YI9MV

Jerry Jacobs

Quote from: JoeTomasone on April 09, 2010, 07:23:06 AM
Quote from: Jerry Jacobs on April 09, 2010, 03:52:40 AM
The test for Technician is easy enough, however the General test is MUCH more difficult with harder electrical theory.  However you can just take the online test enough times to pass both tests if you really want to.  But if you want to pass both and know the stuff, be prepared for lots and lots of studying.

KJ6CCE

+1.   Learn as much as you can about antenna theory, emergency power, and proper operating technique in nets and the like.  All of those skills will come in handy in CAP comms as well. 



AB2M / YI9MV

And during the zombie apocalypse those skills will be highly needed.

tdepp

Quote from: JoeTomasone on April 09, 2010, 07:23:06 AM
Quote from: Jerry Jacobs on April 09, 2010, 03:52:40 AM
The test for Technician is easy enough, however the General test is MUCH more difficult with harder electrical theory.  However you can just take the online test enough times to pass both tests if you really want to.  But if you want to pass both and know the stuff, be prepared for lots and lots of studying.

KJ6CCE

+1.   Learn as much as you can about antenna theory, emergency power, and proper operating technique in nets and the like.  All of those skills will come in handy in CAP comms as well. 

AB2M / YI9MV
Or just use your cell phone.  I hear you can talk to all over the world with it!  ;)
Todd D. Epp, LL.M., Capt, CAP
Sioux Falls Composite Squadron Deputy Commander for Seniors
SD Wing Public Affairs Officer
Wing website: http://sdcap.us    Squadron website: http://www.siouxfallscap.com
Author of "This Day in Civil Air Patrol History" @ http://caphistory.blogspot.com

RADIOMAN015

Quote from: tdepp on April 09, 2010, 07:48:03 PM
Quote from: JoeTomasone on April 09, 2010, 07:23:06 AM
Quote from: Jerry Jacobs on April 09, 2010, 03:52:40 AM
The test for Technician is easy enough, however the General test is MUCH more difficult with harder electrical theory.  However you can just take the online test enough times to pass both tests if you really want to.  But if you want to pass both and know the stuff, be prepared for lots and lots of studying.

KJ6CCE

+1.   Learn as much as you can about antenna theory, emergency power, and proper operating technique in nets and the like.  All of those skills will come in handy in CAP comms as well. 

AB2M / YI9MV
Or just use your cell phone.  I hear you can talk to all over the world with it!  ;)
Amateur Radio is know as the communications service "When All Else Fails!!".   There's lots of amateur radio operators thoughout the world that can get a signal through when disaster strikes and normal communications is disrupted.

Even locally, we run Emergency VHF Nets twice a week, 1 simplex & the other via the repeater, to test out the range comm range using mobiles, bases, & portables.

When I run training with our cadets, I do emphasize that IF their cellphone will work than by all means use it.  Go to the higest point they safely can reach.  Also they might have to set up a relay system with the low powered ISR's in the valley and one of them with the cellphone & an ISR on the top of a hill or mountain talking back to mission base via the cellphone & relaying via radio to the team below.

Even getting your technician ticket opens up the potential for satellite communications and even the simplest as simplex comm on VHF or UHF.  Experiment with slow scan TV, digital modes, etc.. Radio equipment is relatively inexpensive and there's a lot of hams that are willing to help the new amateur.

Good luck and I'd suggest getting the Technician ticket first, than working on the General, Extra later.

RM

maverik

Alright by the sound of it right now I'm not into the slow scan stuff but I definately want to get into HF  mainly something like a mobile that I can put into a pack with it's own power supply etc.  ow being self sufficient is what really gets the geek out of me  ;D
KC9SFU
Fresh from the Mint C/LT
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne

JoeTomasone

Quote from: maverik on April 09, 2010, 11:38:55 PM
Alright by the sound of it right now I'm not into the slow scan stuff but I definately want to get into HF  mainly something like a mobile that I can put into a pack with it's own power supply etc.  ow being self sufficient is what really gets the geek out of me  ;D

Can't use it for CAP, but....

http://www.yaesu.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts&ProdCatID=102&encProdID=0372FA803B7BBADBF3076C94ACA7A8C5&DivisionID=65&isArchived=0

tdepp

^^And when HAM radios fail, there are always steel drums and smoke signals.  :D  And yes, I know we need radio communications to do our jobs for CAP and that if barnyard matter hits the fan, down go the cell towers and we need the HAMs and other radioheads for vital communications.  But my cell phone sure is handy!
Todd D. Epp, LL.M., Capt, CAP
Sioux Falls Composite Squadron Deputy Commander for Seniors
SD Wing Public Affairs Officer
Wing website: http://sdcap.us    Squadron website: http://www.siouxfallscap.com
Author of "This Day in Civil Air Patrol History" @ http://caphistory.blogspot.com

RRLE

QuoteI definately want to get into HF  mainly something like a mobile that I can put into a pack with it's own power supply etc

Take a look at the ICOM 703 Plus

Major Lord

Quote from: tdepp on April 11, 2010, 12:14:24 AM
^^And when HAM radios fail, there are always steel drums and smoke signals.  :D  And yes, I know we need radio communications to do our jobs for CAP and that if barnyard matter hits the fan, down go the cell towers and we need the HAMs and other radioheads for vital communications.  But my cell phone sure is handy!

Your point is well taken, but remember, that it was the work of hams and amateur's in the pre-ham decades that made your cellular phone a possibility. ( Marconi did not have a ham license) Marconi, Edison, Tesla, and many of the greats were basically men driven to tinker with electronics ( before the word existed) and today's hams are the guys who will be designing the communications systems of tomorrow. Our grandchildren will probably laugh out load when they see us on old-fashioned Blueray Disk movies pushing little buttons to send 5 word abbreviated messages (texting) or holding primitive battery powered devices up to our heads and talking while crashing into trees. My first cellular phone cost $1500.00 and weighed about 25 pounds, and that was only twenty years ago! Lets see what the world brings in another ten years. ( assuming we survive the Barackocalypse )

Major Lord
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."

wuzafuzz

Quote from: Major Lord on April 11, 2010, 02:36:45 PM
My first cellular phone cost $1500.00 and weighed about 25 pounds, and that was only twenty years ago! Lets see what the world brings in another ten years. ( assuming we survive the Barackocalypse )
We'll all be issued Star Trek style communicator badges with the "O" logo on them.   Searches will become a thing of the past thanks to their 24/7 tracking of our whereabouts   >:D
"You can't stop the signal, Mal."

wuzafuzz

Quote from: maverik on April 09, 2010, 02:47:50 AM
Well after a long period I am finally (along with a quarter of my squadron) enrolled in a technician HAM course!  Some of it seems pretty simple with the EIR and PIE formulas.  Along with technician I am also self-studying general and extra class since I can pay for technician then take general if I pass and then extra if I pass general for no cost my instructor said so I figured why not?  Anyways any tips or advice from the operators here on CT?
Good luck with your class and happy hamming!  :clap:

I keep meaning to get back into ham radio, but some of the locals are less than friendly.  Upgrading to general class will expand those horizons quite a bit, freeing me from the local repeater scene.  My next home will NOT have antenna restrictions! 
"You can't stop the signal, Mal."

tdepp

Quote from: Major Lord on April 11, 2010, 02:36:45 PM
Quote from: tdepp on April 11, 2010, 12:14:24 AM
^^And when HAM radios fail, there are always steel drums and smoke signals.  :D  And yes, I know we need radio communications to do our jobs for CAP and that if barnyard matter hits the fan, down go the cell towers and we need the HAMs and other radioheads for vital communications.  But my cell phone sure is handy!

Your point is well taken, but remember, that it was the work of hams and amateur's in the pre-ham decades that made your cellular phone a possibility. ( Marconi did not have a ham license) Marconi, Edison, Tesla, and many of the greats were basically men driven to tinker with electronics ( before the word existed) and today's hams are the guys who will be designing the communications systems of tomorrow. Our grandchildren will probably laugh out load when they see us on old-fashioned Blueray Disk movies pushing little buttons to send 5 word abbreviated messages (texting) or holding primitive battery powered devices up to our heads and talking while crashing into trees. My first cellular phone cost $1500.00 and weighed about 25 pounds, and that was only twenty years ago! Lets see what the world brings in another ten years. ( assuming we survive the Barackocalypse )

Major Lord
My Lord!
I was with you until the Barackocalpyse comment.  He's my Man Crush.  :)
My first cell phone was smaller than yours in 1993 (size does matter).  It was a "bag phone" that had a lead battery that weighed probably at least five pounds and would keep about 20 minutes of charge if you were lucky.  Otherwise, you used it in your car.  It was the size of a small athletic bag.  The phone itself was about the size of a standard house phone.  And that's the way it was and we liked it!  ;D

So, to all you Hammies i have made fun of through the years, you stand on the shoulders of giants--Te Slaa, Marconi, Edison, Armstrong, and Major Lord.  I salute you and thank you for my Blackberry (except when I get client calls and emails in the middle of the night or on weekends).
Todd D. Epp, LL.M., Capt, CAP
Sioux Falls Composite Squadron Deputy Commander for Seniors
SD Wing Public Affairs Officer
Wing website: http://sdcap.us    Squadron website: http://www.siouxfallscap.com
Author of "This Day in Civil Air Patrol History" @ http://caphistory.blogspot.com

cap235629

when Katrina Hit Mississippi one of the first things that happened was that the Cell towers went dark or were blown down.  So much for your beloved cell phone....  HF was the only option.
Bill Hobbs, Major, CAP
Arkansas Certified Emergency Manager
Tabhair 'om póg, is Éireannach mé

Major Lord

We used VHF tactically to pretty good effect.....Had to have a guy on the roof of the Marriot on Tchapitoulas Street to talk to the West bank and the Ninth Ward though! I miss the red beans and rice and the Crawfish Ettoufe'  but not the MRE's!

Major Lord
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."

brenaud

Quote from: maverik on April 09, 2010, 02:47:50 AM
Well after a long period I am finally (along with a quarter of my squadron) enrolled in a technician HAM course!  Some of it seems pretty simple with the EIR and PIE formulas.  Along with technician I am also self-studying general and extra class since I can pay for technician then take general if I pass and then extra if I pass general for no cost my instructor said so I figured why not?  Anyways any tips or advice from the operators here on CT?
Advice?  Sure...Have fun.  And let us know when you have a callsign.

WR4MS
WILLIAM A. RENAUD, Lt Col, CAP
TNWG Director of Personnel & Administration
GRW #2699

maverik

Will do I'm studying for both technician and general with some extra mixed in (I probably wont test for it just yet)  so everything should go well I test on the 24th.  Anyways the ICOM and Yaseu are both fantastic looking rigs but I think for my first rig i'll either go used base station route or hand held.
KC9SFU
Fresh from the Mint C/LT
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne

AlphaSigOU

Depending on the VEC (Volunteer Examiner Committee), you may be able to take all three tests in one session. When I took my ham radio exam, I passed the Technician (Element 2), then was given General (Element 3). ( I didn't pass.) If you pass General you might be offered to take the Amateur Extra exam.

Good luck and 73,
V7/KJ6GHO
Lt Col Charles E. (Chuck) Corway, CAP
Gill Robb Wilson Award (#2901 - 2011)
Amelia Earhart Award (#1257 - 1982) - C/Major (retired)
Billy Mitchell Award (#2375 - 1981)
Administrative/Personnel/Professional Development Officer
Nellis Composite Squadron (PCR-NV-069)
KJ6GHO - NAR 45040

JoeTomasone

Quote from: cap235629 on April 11, 2010, 05:13:05 PM
when Katrina Hit Mississippi one of the first things that happened was that the Cell towers went dark or were blown down.  So much for your beloved cell phone....  HF was the only option.

There were 2m repeaters operating as well in some areas; Hancock and Jackson counties, for example.