Quote from: Flying Pig on September 27, 2012, 04:37:07 PM
We had a guy years ago who had a purple heart and a submarine badge.  He had been a Corpsman at one point during Vietnam and then later went to subs.  He retired as an E-8 I believe.  He was the father of a cadet.  We used to always give him a hard time and make up stories for how he got it.  It was all done in jest with him laughing right along with us.   He caught pieces of a grenade in some rice patty I think........

We had a retired E-9 Command Master Chief (I think I got that right. I kept calling him "Command Chief Master...oh crap, I got that wrong again, didn't I?" He was not amused) in the ACA. He was our senior enlisted adviser.  He was a Vietnam era FMF Corpsman wearing things like the Navy Cross, Silver Star, Meritorious Service Medal, Combat Action Ribbon, Vietnam Service Medal, Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal. 

Come to find out: never an 8403, his enlistment started at the tail end of the Vietnam War, which ended when he was still in his A school, so there is no way he could have any of that Vietnam bling, too, NVM the Navy Cross.   

You know this BS happens on AD as well.

It is not like anyone is actually looking at your paper work.

PCS...add a couple of ribbons......who's to know.

In my 22 years on AD the ONLY time someone actually pulled up my records and check my chest candy was at NCO Prep School.

I don't have a problem with CAP making me produce a DD214 or orders showing I earned my bling.......but let's follow that up with realistic rules....how often do I have to proove it?  Everytime I transfer or just when I first join?  What about those who are still in the AD/RES/NG military? 

As a commander.....I think you already have the authority to question anyones qualifications and the right/duty to have them produce documentation to prove it.  This goes for everthing from their driver's licnese, FAA certs, FEMA training, ES rateings, and bling.

You don't have to show me.....but you don't have to be in CAP either.

Quote from: lordmonar on September 27, 2012, 06:35:44 PM

As a commander.....I think you already have the authority to question anyones qualifications and the right/duty to have them produce documentation to prove it.  This goes for everthing from their driver's licnese, FAA certs, FEMA training, ES rateings, and bling.

You don't have to show me.....but you don't have to be in CAP either.

The issue with CAP quals, and FEMA is that I already had to once, and it was put into the system.  Non-renewing events should not have to be re-validated.  That was already done, and logged.  For renewing events, like updating SQTR's, CAP DL, I can understand that, and its fine. 

Too bad there is no way to enter military awards onto E-Services under awards, so that way, there is established proof of awards.

Quote from: NIN on September 27, 2012, 06:04:40 PM

Quote from: Flying Pig on September 27, 2012, 04:37:07 PM
We had a guy years ago who had a purple heart and a submarine badge.  He had been a Corpsman at one point during Vietnam and then later went to subs.  He retired as an E-8 I believe.  He was the father of a cadet.  We used to always give him a hard time and make up stories for how he got it.  It was all done in jest with him laughing right along with us.   He caught pieces of a grenade in some rice patty I think........

We had a retired E-9 Command Master Chief (I think I got that right. I kept calling him "Command Chief Master...oh crap, I got that wrong again, didn't I?" He was not amused) in the ACA. He was our senior enlisted adviser.  He was a Vietnam era FMF Corpsman wearing things like the Navy Cross, Silver Star, Meritorious Service Medal, Combat Action Ribbon, Vietnam Service Medal, Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal. 

Come to find out: never an 8403, his enlistment started at the tail end of the Vietnam War, which ended when he was still in his A school, so there is no way he could have any of that Vietnam bling, too, NVM the Navy Cross.

Nice thing about our guy, we were in San Diego at a BCS and he got us a tour of the USS New Jersey with about 30 minutes notice WHILE she was still an active battleship.   Wearing his Senior Chief tans with all of his bells and whistles.  So at least the part about being an active E8 was legit  :clap:

However, when I was in the USAR, my platoon Sgt wore a SEAL Trident and Navy jump wings on his Army uniform. Dude was a real E8... as far as being a SEAL, had never served a day in the Navy.  Ooooops.  However his service records listed the awards as well as his BUDs class that he supposedly attended.   His entire world came crashing down when I asked a friend of mine (off duty) if he knew this guy.  He said No, looked up his name in a SEAL data base and that was the beginning of the end.  20 years of legit Army service ended with being dishonorably discharged as an E1.  The lie that guy lived was intense.   He had me convinced 100% 

Quote from: lordmonar on September 27, 2012, 06:35:44 PM....how often do I have to proove it?  Everytime I transfer or just when I first join? ...

You just said it, too. PCS, add a couple ribbons. Transfer Wings, add a few ribbons. Same, no?

So.. if it's not in the 201 file, and it's pinned on, it should be proven. Of course, grade is on the eServices record, so if the guy comes in with silver leaves on, and it says Major .. well then.

Ya, but the biggest clue someone is BSing is they are gloating about there service. The majority of the bonofide warrior are very modest and you could not tell them from one vet to another vet.

I like the idea of putting all our ribbons and decorations in services.

It's the 21st century.....

Quote from: lordmonar on September 27, 2012, 11:17:57 PM
I like the idea of putting all our ribbons and decorations in services.

It's the 21st century.....

And yet, the Air Force still can't get mine right. I have my retirement DD214, a pair of DD215's and three NGB22's to document all of my stuff.
Shouldn't have needed the DD215's if the Personnel Geeks could ever get their acts together...

Well PHall, the Air Force cant catch up with BAMF's like you.

Quote from: Devil Doc on September 28, 2012, 02:31:10 AM
Well PHall, the Air Force cant catch up with BAMF's like you.

It's not like retirement is a surprise. They had at least a year's warning and it was still a surprise to them.

It also took two solid days to out process. I visited offices on base I didn't even know that they existed. But they're on the out-processing checklist... 

Quote from: PHall on September 28, 2012, 04:49:51 AM

Quote from: Devil Doc on September 28, 2012, 02:31:10 AM
Well PHall, the Air Force cant catch up with BAMF's like you.

It's not like retirement is a surprise. They had at least a year's warning and it was still a surprise to them.

It also took two solid days to out process. I visited offices on base I didn't even know that they existed. But they're on the out-processing checklist... 

When I out-processed to retire, they wanted me to do a whiz quiz. I asked what they were going to do if it came back positive. One guy said that I would be place on admin hold and not allowed to transfer. My next Q was to determine how long the sample would take to process, and was told two weeks. At that time, I pointed out to them that I was out-processing for retirement, and would be starting terminal leave within a week. The dumber of the two went, "Duh?", and the bright one said, "Get outta here!", after he signed my check-out sheet.

Never fails to amaze me how routine things continue to surprise the Personnel types...

Quote from: RogueLeader on September 25, 2012, 07:15:24 PM
I am missing my AAM from my 214, but I have a copy of the orders for it.  My 214 was created about a week before my ETS and award of the AAM.  I can, however, provide all data needed for the awards I have.

That's not a problem. You simply go through the appropriate military personnel center or NRPC and request a correction to the DD Form 214. You will receive a DD Form 215 to attach to it.

As far as presenting a DD Form 214, I did just that when I joined not so much because of the awards and decorations, but because of my military training.

These days of imposters, I would rather be on the up and up especially since my DD Form 214 listed all of my permanent qualification badges, which I guess is uncommon for the Air Force. I also have two DD Form 215s.

Quote from: lordmonar on September 27, 2012, 11:17:57 PM
I like the idea of putting all our ribbons and decorations in services.

It's the 21st century.....

Me, too!

Quote from: Stonewall on September 27, 2012, 12:59:02 AM
I have 3 DD 214s, a DD 215 (correction to 214), and 2 NGB 22s.  Between all of them, I believe they show an accurate portrayal of my military service.  Seriously, I have A LOT of crap that fails to show me as a high speed troop.  Other than that big, circular, hunk of medal I got for 18 months of service in the Pentagon from 1994 to 1995, nothing would really lead anyone to believe I my junk was bogus.

Even on my most recent 214 from my 2011 deployment to Afghanistan, it's messed up.  It shows a GWOT-E rather than the Afghan campaign medal.  Then, after the 214 was issued, I was awarded some sort of unit award, so I have the award order for that.  The rack that you see below in my signature block is EVERYTHING I've earned in the military, and while it may not be on a 214, I either have orders for it, or a DD 215.  At the end of the day, I don't care as far as CAP is concerned.  The only thing I truly care about is appropriate credit for combat service for benefits purposes through the VA.

I think this is par for the course in todays military. Im in the same boat as you, and have pretty much given up on getting them all into one place.

BUMP... LOL

This post is going dead. 

I have no issues forking a copy over.  My 214 is missing a lot of ribbons that I earned and had on my VMPF which I can no longer access.  I did ALS butforget if the ribbon is on my 214

Quote from: J2H on February 17, 2013, 11:37:22 PM
I have no issues forking a copy over.  My 214 is missing a lot of ribbons that I earned and had on my VMPF which I can no longer access.  I did ALS butforget if the ribbon is on my 214

Remember, with appropriate documentation, you can submit for a DD 215 to correct your 214.

I forget what it qualifies for, but you can use ALS in lieu of some sort of professional development in CAP.  Maybe squadron leadership school or something.

Bottom line is, no one is going to ask for documentation of your SF skill badge with star on top.  But if you show up sporting a SCUBA bubble, HALO wings or a Purple Heart, you're likely to be asked to show supporting documentation, i.e. 214.

Quote from: Stonewall on February 18, 2013, 01:48:20 AM

Quote from: J2H on February 17, 2013, 11:37:22 PM
I have no issues forking a copy over.  My 214 is missing a lot of ribbons that I earned and had on my VMPF which I can no longer access.  I did ALS butforget if the ribbon is on my 214

Remember, with appropriate documentation, you can submit for a DD 215 to correct your 214.

I forget what it qualifies for, but you can use ALS in lieu of some sort of professional development in CAP.  Maybe squadron leadership school or something.

Bottom line is, no one is going to ask for documentation of your SF skill badge with star on top.  But if you show up sporting a SCUBA bubble, HALO wings or a Purple Heart, you're likely to be asked to show supporting documentation, i.e. 214.

Not ALS -- the various NCO academys qualify to waive things like the old ECI-13, Region or National staff colleges. I have a GRW, so I haven't checked lately to see if the NCO Academy diploma now waives OBC.

Also, I made sure that all of my badges were on my last DD Form 214 just because....you can request that, you know.

never made it to E6 so no nco academy

My squadron asked for it.. Never really asked