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 on: Today at 04:06:57 PM 
Started by Eclipse - Last post by Luis R. Ramos
Well, there are different types of algae in the sea... Green and brown. Reddish brown and so. One is Kelp, another is moss, and others...

 on: Today at 04:03:20 PM 
Started by Nikos - Last post by ColonelJack
We "SAC Trained Killers" did notice that they waited until LeMay was dead and buried before they did away with SAC.

SAC had an "elitist" rep among the other MAJCOMS. The Fighter Pilot Mafia Chief of Staff (Mc Peak) couldn't kill off SAC fast enough.

I think alot of what occurred within the AF was McPeak's doing and we have finally only within the last few years been recovering.

The "business suit uniform" was definitely McPeak's doing.  (Thus do I continue the ongoing CAPTalk legacy of everything eventually turning into a uniform thread!)


 on: Today at 03:54:31 PM 
Started by Eclipse - Last post by ColonelJack
that's going away
 My former sq commander's wife is a new Navy ensign. She started her Navy career in the blue camo less than a year ago. 

She just got the *new* new camo.  The green - based one

And she's a surface warfare officer,  not a snipe or some on-shore duty.

Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

Not to hijack the thread or anything, but ... WHY does the Navy need camouflage anything on a ship?????  Shore duties, I can see.  If you're SEAL or other very special personage who engages in a lot of the shooting, yes, most assuredly.

But on a ship?  What purpose does camouflage on a ship serve?


 on: Today at 03:45:15 PM 
Started by Eclipse - Last post by Mordecai
I actually prefer having cadets in ABUs. It makes them easier to spot.

 on: Today at 03:43:12 PM 
Started by JoeTomasone - Last post by Mordecai
have you submitted capdb.us as an internet operations application?

 on: Today at 03:26:04 PM 
Started by JoeTomasone - Last post by JoeTomasone
Actually, I just found this - it bodes well for CAPDB: 


My command has local applications that are using CAPWATCH data.  We are not duplicating any eServices applications or capabilities.  What should we be doing now to prepare for the change?

If your unit is using CAPWATCH data, at your unitís respective organization scope, to provide unique local IT functionality, then there is no immediate action required.  You should continue to check with your IT Director and eServices news for updates and announcements.  It is important to note that the data will not change for you.  The process will change and NHQ IT will be communicating frequently on what to expect and when the new online process will be available.

Does CAP intend to shut down all local applications?

No, definitely not.  CAP NHQ IT recognizes and values the IT innovation that is occurring in the field.

Will we continue to have access to the CAPWATCH data either in its current format or in new format? 

 Any member who is receiving CAPWATCH data for their respective organization scope today will continue to receive the same data set after 2 January provided they:
Have their Commandersí approval
Submit the purpose for which the CAPWATCH data will be used
Sign a user agreement acknowledging their responsibility to protect the data under their care
Are not duplicating functionality that is already within eServices/WMIRS

 on: Today at 03:15:15 PM 
Started by zippy - Last post by NIN
At one time....the Commander of CAP was and AD USAF general.  Sometime in the late 60's early 70's (IIRC) that changed to a volunteer. 

1975. BG Westberg was the last AD CAP National Commander. General Patterson became the first "volunteer" CAP National Commander after that.

I believe it was after 1975 that the CAP-USAF commander was then "dual-hatted" as the head of the USAF HQ element (CAP-USAF) and as the "Executive Director" of the Civil Air Patrol corporation. 

The last USAF GO to serve as the CAP-USAF commander was BG David L. Patton from 1981 to 1984. After that, the CAP-USAF commander has been a colonel.

Then sometime in the 90's there was a big scandal and the BOG was formed to govern CAP.

The C&B and legislative changes that brought in the BoG happened around 2000, during General Bobick's term. My memory is hazy on the whens and the wheres, but the so-called "FBI Raid" occurred the year before that, like July or August 1999,  My memory is hazy , but I recall that is what caused Congress to propose the BoG.

The "separation"  that most people talk about....lots of AD at missions, AD and Reserve USAF members assigned to wings, and lots of help on base....all went away in the 90's when the USAF (and the other services) went through the first big draw down following the cold war (and the first Gulf War).

In the early-mid 1990s, the USAF JAG formed the opinion that an active-duty USAF officer could not also be the executive director of a quasi-public corporation, and thus "Civil Air Patrol, Inc" was separated from CAP-USAF with the appointment of an civilian Executive Director and the HQ that was formerly administered by USAF personnel (both uniformed and civilian) was then staffed with personnel hired as employees of "Civil Air Patrol, Inc."  That really was the defining "event" of the separation. 5 years before the so-called "raid," and 6 years before the BoG was formed.

Sure, some of it had to do with funding and the reduction in the size of the Air Force, too. BRAC and other things.

Remember, most wings had an Active Duty USAF liaison officer and usually an active duty NCO as well.  Upon the "corporatization" in 1994, these liaison positions became first, I believe, USAF employees, then CAP, Inc employees (caveat: It might not have been right away in 1994... it may have happened over a period of time.. my brain discarded a lot of this info when it wasn't needed).  Eventually the 2-man liaison offices became one man, then there were things like 1 "state director" covering 2-3 states with an "assistant state director" in the ones where the state director didn't live, etc. Just a few years ago, all the state director positions were eliminated and that oversight pulled into the USAF Liaison Regions.

We had CAP-RAP Officers and NCOs way back in the 70s, 80s and 90s, and even things like IMA positions for the wings to coordinate all the RAP personnel.  So there was always lots of USAFR support for CAP with "points-only" reservists.

Everything else that follows is usually just opinion....and we all have one.

Well, I tried to make my opinion as factual as possible. :)

 on: Today at 02:50:17 PM 
Started by zippy - Last post by FW
CAP-USAF personnel provided Liaison support to wings until 1998, when civilian employees took over (simple story).  Wing commanders were members of CAP.

 The "stepped on" mess happened in 1998-99, when after an FBI raid at NHQs took place, the Air Force and Congress decided a change in governance was needed (another simplification, but it's been almost 20 years).  Let's just say things are not the same as they were back then...

 on: Today at 02:49:32 PM 
Started by Nikos - Last post by abdsp51
Saying "Fighter Pilot mafia" also points out there was more than one elite attitude, though...

Now I hide behind and below the desk as I will receive...

There is. 

 on: Today at 02:04:03 PM 
Started by jfkspotting - Last post by NIN
Sage is never going to happen.

Care for a little side bet on that?

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