Quote from: SierraOneThree on April 06, 2024, 07:27:33 AM

Quote from: farsightusf2017 on April 05, 2024, 01:02:58 PMYup tracking assuming by the name of FDU it was nomex. As I realize now the 2PFDU is the nomex OCP not the green two piece we have in the Navy. I wonder if the blue 2P massifs were considered?

Doubtful. I found that likely a good portion of the people involved with uniform policy outside of general members making recommendations are....somewhat ignorant of current uniforms in real world applications and related technological advances. The only reason Massif flight jackets were added was because of a few people who wear them were able to be involved with one of the drafts.

Oh yeah, Massif jackets both green and OCP were in the draft. I believe they were retained.

     There is a lot of truth in a lot of policies adopted by CAP in the last 10 years or so. As an example, I personally spoke one of the leading members of the committee whose deliberations resulted in the restructuring of the CAP grade restructuring a few years ago, that made promotions to the higher grades further out of reach for many members. He was himself a retired USAF Lt Colonel who was a CAP Colonel, and pushed hard for additional roadblocks for promotion to Colonel because the grade of Colonel when he was in the service post-Vietnam was nigh impossible, and he thought that was still the case in the 2010s and after. Even though that the Secretary of the Air Force himself publicly stated that there is no reason why any officer in any specialty that does his job dutifully and completes all appropriate PME should not be able to retire from the USAF as a full Colonel. In other words, it is literally more difficult to get promoted to full Colonel in an Auxiliary of the USAF than it is in the actual Active Duty USAF. Prior to this change, it was at least possible to achieve the grade full colonel in CAP by becoming the National HQ Department Head (e.g. National Health Services Officer, National Historian, National Director of Safety, National Chief of Staff, etc.)  without also having previously served as at least a CAP Wing Commander.
    Along these lines, many well-meaning members of various committees discussing things such as uniform changes seem to have something of a similar view. CAP still uses an outdated height-weight standard that is no longer used in the actual USAF. It was replaced by a Body Mass Index (BMI) system over a decade ago, and even that was tweaked in early 2023 to increase the allowed percentage of body fat in male troops to be increased from 20 to 26 percent, and for females the allowed percentage of body fat was increased from 28 percent to 36 percent. (The Air Force Academy still uses a height/weight chart because of their specially tailored uniforms, but that is an Academy standard, not a Service standard). The current USAF standard for members of both the Air Force and Space Force actually uses a measurement of the ratio of the measurement of the smallest part of the waist (essentially, your trouser size) divided by your height in inches. People meet the AFI 36-2903 standards if the ratio is any number less than 0.55 . If that number exceeds 0.55, then the individual does not meet the current AF standard. If this actual current USAF standard were adopted by CAP as well for members to wear the USAF-style uniform such as the new OCP uniform, then a LOT more CAP members that must wear Corporate uniforms because of not meeting a obsolete USAF height/weight chart standard intended for late teens/early 20s age Initial Entry Basic Trainees and Officer Candidates, could wear a (appropriately distinctive) same uniform as our parent service.
    I find it somewhat ironic that, as a officer of the Georgia State Guard Air and Space Force (whose uniform policies follow USAF and Air National Guard standards), I can wear a minimally distinctive OCP uniform NOW and still be in fully within State DOD regs, but must wear Corporate uniforms when performing Federal CAP duties. I sincerely hope that the day comes when I can wear the same OCP uniforms and just change out the velcro name, branch, and grade to wear it performing CAP duties

Quote from: farsightusf2017 on Today at 03:54:58 PMThere we go that's exactly what I was looking for.

I thought there was a reg but wouldn't have expected it there and not one of the more common operational regulations

That's because the 60-1 is the Cadet Programs regulation. O Flights are part of the cadet program.

There we go that's exactly what I was looking for.

I thought there was a reg but wouldn't have expected it there and not one of the more common operational regulations

Quote from: Mobius1_Fox2 on Yesterday at 08:05:28 PMWhile there isn't a specific CAP regulation that pointedly prevents logging orientation flights as flight instruction time...

There actually is a reg that says exactly that.

Quote from: CAPR 60-1, Para 8.3.1.3Orientation flights will not be credited toward any pilot ratings (solo, private pilot, etc.).

Emphasis mine.

So no, a CFI may not sign off orientation flights as training and a cadet may not count orientation flights in their hour total.

I'm too young to really remember the guayabera but I remember seeing it in old CAP literature when I was a wee cadet. I'd 100% wear one now if I could and I would pull it off.

I recently learned about the turtleneck option for corporate service dress. I am going to order a blazer nametag and patch just to rock that sometime next winter.

Quote from: Mobius1_Fox2 on Yesterday at 08:05:28 PMWhile there isn't a specific CAP regulation that pointedly prevents logging orientation flights as flight instruction time, the guide does specifically state that orientation flights are "educational but not conducted as formal flight training" in CAPP 60-40 section 1.2.3. In addition, CAP Standard 71-1 outlines the approved syllabi for initial flight training, so the orientation flights themselves cannot be considered flight training since they don't fall within the CAP/DO-approved Part 61 training programs.

Edit: Found another relevant section in the regulation that might be the "catch-all" for not logging orientation flight time towards your hours.

From CAPR 70-1 6.1.1:

"CAP flight training shall be conducted in accordance with the requirements of 14 CFR 61
and the guidance contained in: CAPS 71-1, Aircrew Training, Airplane, CAPS 71-2, Aircrew Training,
Glider, CAPS 71-3, Aircrew Training, Balloon and CAPS 71-6, Aircrew Training, Cadet Wings, as
appropriate."

I mean this may be semantics but signing the logbook and them counting hours towards a future rating is not necessarily formal training I could see just the standard FARS applying here. Maybe a question for my Stand/eval and DO

That might be different for gliders if the opilot is a CFIG.
I have no reference handy to back that up, but maybe look into it.

While there isn't a specific CAP regulation that pointedly prevents logging orientation flights as flight instruction time, the guide does specifically state that orientation flights are "educational but not conducted as formal flight training" in CAPP 60-40 section 1.2.3. In addition, CAP Standard 71-1 outlines the approved syllabi for initial flight training, so the orientation flights themselves cannot be considered flight training since they don't fall within the CAP/DO-approved Part 61 training programs.

Edit: Found another relevant section in the regulation that might be the "catch-all" for not logging orientation flight time towards your hours.

From CAPR 70-1 6.1.1:

"CAP flight training shall be conducted in accordance with the requirements of 14 CFR 61
and the guidance contained in: CAPS 71-1, Aircrew Training, Airplane, CAPS 71-2, Aircrew Training,
Glider, CAPS 71-3, Aircrew Training, Balloon and CAPS 71-6, Aircrew Training, Cadet Wings, as
appropriate."

So I am not a CFI(yet) but I am an Orientation pilot and I was asked this question to which I could not answer. If an orientation pilot is a CFI can they log that as dual given/received to the cadet in the right seat?

In the past I thought there was a regulation that prevented that but I could not find it in 70-1 or the Orientation Flight guide.

Quote from: THRAWN on April 16, 2024, 05:51:56 PMIt'd look great with the short sleeve blue jumpsuit or the guyabera shirt...

Why do you have to harsh my weekend?