Back in the day when I was a Cadet, we had to memorize a letter by Gen. George Washington about using foul language. Just wondering if any still knew that one or knew I could get a copy of it?
Thanks
This one? A General Order (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,721587,00.html)
Quote"The General is sorry to be informed that the foolish and wicked practice of profane cursing and swearing, a vice heretofore little known in an American Army, is growing into fashion. He hopes the officers will by example, as well as influence, endeavor to check it, and that both they and the men will reflect, that we can have little hope of the blessings of Heaven on our arms if we insult it by our impiety and folly. Added to this, it is a vice so mean and low, without any temptation, that every man of sense and character detests and despises it.
"G. WASHINGTON."
This order was issued in 1776.
I never read that before. Thank you.
Quote from: Bayhawk21 on June 02, 2008, 04:21:28 AM
This one? A General Order (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,721587,00.html)
That's the one.
Thanks :clap:
That's an odd passage to require memorization of.
Or, should I say, "what the [farg]?!?"
IMO, the vast majority of Memory Work/Spewage applied to CAP the CP is a waste of training time... plenty of other stuff they should be studying... Like leadership and AE texts, CAPM 39-1, CAPR 52-16 and AFMAN 36-2203.
Quote from: MIKE on June 02, 2008, 07:57:01 PM
IMO, the vast majority of Memory Work/Spewage applied to CAP the CP is a waste of training time... plenty of other stuff they should be studying... Like leadership and AE texts, CAPM 39-1, CAPR 52-16 and AFMAN 36-2203.
Amen. I am so tired of cadets calling me asking me how to wear an item that is shown in the manual. Or C\NCO's and C\Officers doing drill wrong because "that's the way we did it at encampment."
Quote from: MIKE on June 02, 2008, 07:57:01 PM
IMO, the vast majority of Memory Work/Spewage applied to CAP the CP is a waste of training time... plenty of other stuff they should be studying... Like leadership and AE texts, CAPM 39-1, CAPR 52-16 and AFMAN 36-2203.
It is not that I want our Cadets to memorize this, I want to put it in a code of conduct book for then our Cadet's are at Wing Activities and staying in the National Guard facilities. Just wanted them to know there is some history behind it when we ask them to watch they language.
For a quotation in a handbook for a section on conduct... it would be fine. IIRC FM 3-21.5 does this, and is quite neat.
Quote from: Bayhawk21 on June 02, 2008, 04:21:28 AM
This one? A General Order (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,721587,00.html)
Memorised that one myself for the 1970 California Wing Encampment.
Not that I'm dating myself or anything...
Quote from: PHall on June 03, 2008, 02:16:06 AM
Memorised that one myself for the 1970 California Wing Encampment.
Not that I'm dating myself or anything...
I guess that's where I got it. I went to the Calif Wing Encampment in 1968. Wow that sure does seem like a long time ago.
Quote from: MIKE on June 02, 2008, 11:31:01 PM
For a quotation in a handbook for a section conduct... it would be fine. IIRC FM 3-21.5 does this, and is quite neat.
I am not familiar with that FM, where in the FM would the section be found?
Thanks
Here. (http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=1252.0) They are D&C quotes though.
Quote from: davidsinn on June 02, 2008, 08:28:24 PM
Quote from: MIKE on June 02, 2008, 07:57:01 PM
IMO, the vast majority of Memory Work/Spewage applied to CAP the CP is a waste of training time... plenty of other stuff they should be studying... Like leadership and AE texts, CAPM 39-1, CAPR 52-16 and AFMAN 36-2203.
Amen. I am so tired of cadets calling me asking me how to wear an item that is shown in the manual. Or C\NCO's and C\Officers doing drill wrong because "that's the way we did it at encampment."
Look from the other side, how many times do we who claim to be well versed have to ask questions and discuss the interpretation of a r,m,p etc.
When I was DCC at the unit level I taught the basics how to use the the regs, how to figure out which reg they needed, and ran a practical class by having them find answers to FAQ's which obviously served 2 purposes. We had already answered some of the most common questions and they proved that they know how to find information.
Now back to your regularly scheduled programming
Quote from: dwb on June 02, 2008, 07:12:04 PM
That's an odd passage to require memorization of.
Or, should I say, "what the [farg]?!?"
Well, at least if they go on to the Air Force Academy they'll already have one thing memorized ahead of time...'cause it's required memorization there.
I had to memorize that WIWAC...
I still swear like a crusty sailor though......
Quote from: IceNine on June 04, 2008, 02:38:58 AM
Quote from: davidsinn on June 02, 2008, 08:28:24 PM
Amen. I am so tired of cadets calling me asking me how to wear an item that is shown in the manual. Or C\NCO's and C\Officers doing drill wrong because "that's the way we did it at encampment."
Look from the other side, how many times do we who claim to be well versed have to ask questions and discuss the interpretation of a r,m,p etc.
A question of interpretation is fine. Not bothering to look at all is what bugs me to no end. I keep trying to drill into their heads to RTFM but it's not sticking.
Quote from: davidsinn on June 04, 2008, 06:14:03 PM
A question of interpretation is fine. Not bothering to look at all is what bugs me to no end. I keep trying to drill into their heads to RTFM but it's not sticking.
What we need is a CAPP 151/CAPM 39-1 X-Box & Wii game.
This brings back all the repressed memories of my first encampment. This was one of several pieces of memory work they though we were going to memorize. Didn't happen.
McConnell AFB 1988 -The example of how NOT to run an encampment.
I like the idea of publishing this for your cadets. It shows them that from the beginning there were standards and expatiation's of officers from the highest levels.
I would hate to have to memorize it, but I thing this would be a great addition to a leadership course.
I have a long run-on sentence about profanity that i wrote and had made into a poster on my classroom wall. When a student cusses, he/she has to stand, read the sign aloud, and apologize to the class. Since I teach history I may use this instead. The kids start catching themselves in mid "what the he......." because they don't want to read "the sign".
Memorizing things are important--in math, there are a bunch of steps and formulas needed to be memorized. In aircraft, emergency procedures must be memorized. So developing a technique to memorize things is good training. Do I think this particular work has a place among cadets--perhaps not as a strict manner. But uniform wear instructions surely must be memorized.
I always say that an attention to detail on a uniform translates to an attention to detail in other aspects--you get used to looking at the small things. Great for preflight inspection.
Learning how to memorise stuff for CAP came in real handy when I started flying for the Air Force.
Memorizing stuff that has a legitimate and practical application to the CP is good... Making a cadet memorize boldface for the F-16C, not so much.
Quote from: MIKE on July 19, 2008, 03:00:15 AM
Memorizing stuff that has a legitimate and practical application to the CP is good... Making a cadet memorize boldface for the F-16C, not so much.
BOLD FACE for an F-16C? That's easy! Ejection Handle -
PULL >:D