At this month's WTA a member showed up wearing the new CAP utility uniform. Not the Blue BDU or the blue Nomex flight suit, but the dark (almost black) blue cotton poly utility uniform that looks like a flight suit that sells for $40.
Anyone out there wear one, seen one or know about it. It looked pretty good. What do you all think about it.
If it's cut like the flight suit, it seems like a fine uniform.
I ordered one when they first came out and they wore horribly. That, and it faded despite efforts to prevent that.
I hope that's not the case in the second version.
It was a strange thing to put in the uniform manual, especially because the NOMEX version was originally Smurf color. I understand these are banned as a flight uniform option in some wings, since they look like a flight suit without the benefit of being fire retardant. Speaking of which, I have never tried the fire retardant-ness of the flight suit. ::puts on flight suit:: ::grabs flame thrower:: bbl...
Two different versions floating out there - and I'm not talking about the dark blue nomex flight suit and the utility uniform.
The version sold by Vanguard is made by Tru-Spec and closely resembles a cross between the 'McPeaked' and current flight suits in dark blue, most notably the 'pecker pocket' - ahem, the knife pocket - >:D moved to the lower right leg pocket. No upper thigh pockets as in the sage green CWU-27P flight suit. It does have side entry 'happy pockets' that the sage green flight suit does not have. Zipper hardware is brass and it includes the pen pocket for the left sleeve and pocket flap. Velcro patch for name tag in dark blue, though you can only get black Velcro in 4" X 12" strips from Vanguard; other flight suit vendors may offer dark blue Velcro. Cotton blend, cloth very similar to CWU-27P; obviously not for flight use if you're expecting flame retardant protection.
The version sold by the Hock Shop is much cheaper in price and quality. Nylon zippers abound, and the fabric is lighter in weight.
Sizing on both kinds of utility uniforms is similar to BDUs, i.e. Large Regular, unlike the sage green mil spec suits which are sized (46S, 46R, 46L). Patch wear same as in green bag.
I generally wear the utility uniform for UDF duty or other activities in which I'm not aircrew.
If you're looking for dark blue Nomex flight suits in mil-spec, the type is CWU-74P.
The old utility uniform looked horrible and fit no one. This one looks and fits exactly like a flight suit and at $40 looks sharper than the blue BDU's. I've always wondered why we have a "utility" uniform and blue BDU's seems a bit redundant.
I've had my second generation since they first came out. I don't wear it often, only when the mood strikes me, or I'm in a hurry.
It wears just like a flight suit, sans Nomex protection. The sizes seem to run a little big to me, but that's ok, I like it a little loose anyway. My only issue is the length of the inseam. I'm a 30" inseam; the regular size is a 31", and the short is 28". I haven't really messed around with my sewing machine to see if I could shorten it up to look normal on me.
IMNSHO, a good addition to the uniform wardrobe, and much better than the smurf suit, which I refused to own.
On another topic, I have a nearly new sage green Nomex bag hanging in my closet. Bought it on a whim from the supply depot in about 2001. Having only worn it a few times, it's still like brand new. Has anyone tried dyeing a green bag navy blue? I'd much rather have the fire retardant properties of Nomex, but the $200+ price tag is a bit beyond my means at the moment.
Exactly what is its purpose? Its not like we need jumpsuits for anything. Seems unnecessary to me if it isn't actually a flightsuit.
Quote from: RiverAux on July 31, 2007, 04:33:02 AM
Exactly what is its purpose? Its not like we need jumpsuits for anything. Seems unnecessary to me if it isn't actually a flightsuit.
It doesn't have an equivalent on the AF-style side of the house, either, does it?
Quote from: Slim on July 31, 2007, 04:29:37 AM[redacted] Has anyone tried dyeing a green bag navy blue? I'd much rather have the fire retardant properties of Nomex, but the $200+ price tag is a bit beyond my means at the moment.
Nylon doesn't dye well, and trying to make green into blue is difficult. The color is intrinsic to the thread when manufactured.
Try these guys on for size for dark blue Nomex (CWU-73/P):
http://www.flighthelmet.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?category=PRFS&search=action&template=Templates/fgtempflst.html
Prices shown are for used - if you select better conditions, it'll cost more.
Unissued = $100.00
Excellent = $100.00
Very Good = $90.00
Good = $70.00
Better than forking over $250 to Vanguard...
The utility uniform was one of the best items I ever got. Esepcially with college, if I had time to go to a meeting, I could just throw it on and look decent.
Quote from: JThemann on July 31, 2007, 12:04:06 PM
The utility uniform was one of the best items I ever got. Esepcially with college, if I had time to go to a meeting, I could just throw it on and look decent.
Used to be able to do the same with the flightsuit, now you have to be aircrew to wear it.
The older style navy blue jumpsuit was a horrible fit and looked awful. The one I saw this week was almost black in color and was tailored to look and fit like a flight suit. Looked pretty good.
Why do we need the Blue BDU's if we have this kind of a utility uniform? Don't they serve the same purpose. Frankly the new jumpsuit looked better than old wrinkled Blue BDU's
The BDU style uniforms are more functional in a real field environment. Having two pieces, and the ability to layer things is good. Being able to remove just the top (blouse/shirt), or just the pants, makes things easier.
Quote from: SarDragon on July 31, 2007, 09:57:19 PM
The BDU style uniforms are more functional in a real field environment. Having two pieces, and the ability to layer things is good. Being able to remove just the top (blouse/shirt), or just the pants, makes things easier.
I'm sorry- please don't remove just the pants. That is just wrong. Maybe this is another place for the CAP shorts uniform combo to come into play. Cut off BBDU pants with no sleeves on the BBDU shirt!! Now tha's a uniform!!
Quote from: LtCol Hooligan on July 31, 2007, 10:11:45 PM
I'm sorry- please don't remove just the pants. That is just wrong. Maybe this is another place for the CAP shorts uniform combo to come into play. Cut off BBDU pants with no sleeves on the BBDU shirt!! Now tha's a uniform!!
Ewww! There are people I just do not want to see in shorts. No thank you.
If you can get your hands on a set of blue poly SAC coveralls, it's the way to go!
Had one, sold it here ;D when I got a blue nomex bag, then I got my hands on another one for next to nothing.
Some slight differences: no reinforcement at the shoulders, and no pleated back an a permanent crease in the pant legs, but it's a nice "mission base" uniform.
. . . and it doesn't fade!
Reminds me of the time I got permission to make short out of as pair of green Fatigue pants while stationed at Vandenberg, went all the way up to the Base Commander because I was wading out in the Ocean checking for Missile fuel, waders were unsafe in the ocean, Yes I looked good at 19 in shorts, kind of felt 'BRITISH"
Oh , I forgot I could not wear the shorts except when wading out in the ocean, funny BS ;D
Quote from: SarDragon on July 31, 2007, 09:57:19 PM
The BDU style uniforms are more functional in a real field environment. Having two pieces, and the ability to layer things is good. Being able to remove just the top (blouse/shirt), or just the pants, makes things easier.
Being able to lower things is good too...especially in a field environment. I remember as a cadet in a blue smurfsuit, you practically had to get undressed to do any number higher than 1 because everything was way too bulky to miss if you weren't in a bona fide sanitary facility.
I use the utilities myself quite often. I lucked out and got mine at a local Army/Navy Store, they're not bad. Although yes PT is difficult in them. They do make it easier when you get out of work late and dont' have time to change though. :P
Looks like Vanguard cheaped out and is now supplying Rothco brand cotton-poly jumpsuits instead of Tru-Spec. Grrrrrrrrrrrr...
I hope nobody wears the Rothco's out in the rain...it will melt off.
Quote from: SARMedTech on August 05, 2007, 11:31:34 PM
I hope nobody wears the Rothco's out in the rain...it will melt off.
That bad, huh?
If you're really hankerin' for Tru-Spec, here's one source:
http://www.tacgear.com/catalog/item/1688838/1121927.htm