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Operations => Safety => Topic started by: CAPAirman on August 25, 2010, 02:57:23 AM

Title: EMT Cadets?
Post by: CAPAirman on August 25, 2010, 02:57:23 AM
I was wondering as a cadet can I get a EMT certification so I can be the squadron "medic" (BTW I am 16 yrs old)
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: SarDragon on August 25, 2010, 03:24:58 AM
No. CAP members don't do "medic" stuff, adults or cadets. Sorry.
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: JayT on August 25, 2010, 09:37:16 AM
I was wondering as a cadet can I get a EMT certification so I can be the squadron "medic" (BTW I am 16 yrs old)


You're gonna get your heart broken if you go through EMT training to become a 'CAP Medic.' Do you want to be an EMT? Depending on your state, you may be able to qualify as a Certified First Responder/Emergency Medical Responder at age sixteen.

In CAP, medical care is not covered by any of CAP's insurance.
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: CadetProgramGuy on August 25, 2010, 04:38:52 PM
National registry criteria can be found on the www.nremt.org website.  This will inform you on the prerequsites to become an EMT or Paramedic.

Most states it is 18 for EMT-B and High School Graduate for Paramedic.
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: ltdaubach on August 27, 2010, 03:43:30 PM
I was wondering as a cadet can I get a EMT certification so I can be the squadron "medic" (BTW I am 16 yrs old)

I would encouage you to go and get your EMT.  Just because you don't do much "medic" things with CAP, that doesn't mean that you can't use your training.  When you have that qualification and someone is in need of medical assistance, you have a duty to help.  You do have to be a certain age to be an EMT or paramedic and I would advise you to check with your state and the NREMT regulations at the website that was listed above.
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: DC on October 07, 2010, 08:52:59 PM
I was wondering as a cadet can I get a EMT certification so I can be the squadron "medic" (BTW I am 16 yrs old)
No, but once you are old enough you can be a CAP Cadet who happens to have an EMT certification. You cannot act in a 'medic' capacity or treat anyone except in an emergency situation.

In the mean time, if you are interested in medicine I encourage you to check out getting Medical First Responder, or at least Advanced First Aid training. It's an excellent skill set to have, and unlike GTM training is applicable in everyday life.
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: Krapenhoeffer on October 07, 2010, 09:10:39 PM
Yeah, pretty much every state has a requirement of 18 for EMT-B.

However, most states allow for EMR-FR (First Responder) training to be done at 16. You might want to go look into volunteer EMS units in your area, and see if you could join them.

Just because CAPR forbids you from providing routine care while in CAP uniform, doesn't mean that you can't be part of an EMS squad.

And besides, aviator shirts with BluDU pants just look awesome.
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: Major Lord on October 08, 2010, 04:50:38 PM
Aside from the new piece of "flare" you get to wear on your uniform as an EMT ( Which, I grant you, to a cadet is as precious as life) EMT certification is most appropriate for people going into working EMS, but not a bad thing for anyone to have in their skill set ( I have EMT and a bit more, and have worked in the 911 system, in disasters, and in the third world ) Many of the skills are somewhat less transferable than you might think. Learning how to use a suction catheter or a Hare traction splint are things that you are not called upon to use in regular life too often. You might check out Wilderness First Aid Training, which applies to everyone from Basic First Aid People to MD's, and focuses on self-reliant medical treatment, as opposed to pre-hospital care. Hang out with wilderness medical people who will teach you cool stuff you are not supposed to know about......

I hope no one in CAP sold you on the idea that you could be a "medic" in CAP. There is no such animal. Many CAP people feel so strongly about the issue that they "cross dress" ( work for another SAR agency that actually encourages medical training ) on the side. Please believe me when I tell you that the doors to the castle of allowing CAP people to function medically have been assaulted for years, but never breached.

Major Lord
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: Jerry Jacobs on October 09, 2010, 05:18:46 PM
I got my Emergency Medical Responder at the age of 17, I strongly encourage you to pursue the training as it teaches some valuable patient assessment skills
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: SJFedor on October 10, 2010, 10:16:07 PM
I was wondering as a cadet can I get a EMT certification so I can be the squadron "medic" (BTW I am 16 yrs old)

There's plenty of things you should be doing, like progressing in the cadet program and getting the most you can out of it, before you should even think to start adding additional "special" titles like squadron medic, etc.

And to answer your question, no. You must be 18 to obtain an EMT-B certification in California. You owe me 20min of my life for searching through the CA EMSA website.
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: Eclipse on October 10, 2010, 10:18:22 PM
Or you could have just Googled "mimimum age for EMT in California" which gave me the answer in 15 seconds.
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: SJFedor on October 10, 2010, 10:30:26 PM
Or you could have just Googled "mimimum age for EMT in California" which gave me the answer in 15 seconds.

True. But it was also mildly educational to see how CA governs their EMT's compared to the states i'm licensed in.

He still owes me.
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: CAPAirman on October 11, 2010, 12:51:53 AM
Or you could have just Googled "mimimum age for EMT in California" which gave me the answer in 15 seconds.

True. But it was also mildly educational to see how CA governs their EMT's compared to the states i'm licensed in.

He still owes me.
Owe you what? Time. You searched for your answer on your time. And trust me I'm trying to enjoy the program, but it doesn't help when I pass all my promotion tests 3 months ago and they haven't given my promotion to airman.
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: DakRadz on October 11, 2010, 12:55:11 AM
Isn't it really your answer? Since he was looking because of a question you asked.. I think it was more of a joke anyway, lighten up. Unless you can explain how exactly you can pay time back :o (plus interest!)- do tell, because I owe a lot of time to several NCOs.. >:D
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: SJFedor on October 11, 2010, 02:02:52 AM
Or you could have just Googled "mimimum age for EMT in California" which gave me the answer in 15 seconds.

True. But it was also mildly educational to see how CA governs their EMT's compared to the states i'm licensed in.

He still owes me.
Owe you what? Time. You searched for your answer on your time. And trust me I'm trying to enjoy the program, but it doesn't help when I pass all my promotion tests 3 months ago and they haven't given my promotion to airman.

It's called a sense of humor; invest in one, it'll come in handy later in life.

...Especially if you're looking to go into EMS....
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: HGjunkie on October 11, 2010, 05:33:43 AM
And trust me I'm trying to enjoy the program, but it doesn't help when I pass all my promotion tests 3 months ago and they haven't given my promotion to airman.
Care to elaborate?
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: CAPAirman on October 11, 2010, 10:33:03 AM
I do have a sense of humor, I was trying to make a joke as well, if i offended you I'm sorry. But I don't plan to go EMS. I do plan to go to West Point after I graduate high School and after 10 years maybe be a police officer.
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: CAPAirman on October 11, 2010, 10:38:20 AM
And trust me I'm trying to enjoy the program, but it doesn't help when I pass all my promotion tests 3 months ago and they haven't given my promotion to airman.
Care to elaborate?


What do you need to know?
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: CAPAirman on October 11, 2010, 10:39:50 AM
Isn't it really your answer? Since he was looking because of a question you asked.. I think it was more of a joke anyway, lighten up. Unless you can explain how exactly you can pay time back :o (plus interest!)- do tell, because I owe a lot of time to several NCOs.. >:D

How about shining their boots?!
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: DakRadz on October 11, 2010, 04:18:17 PM
I do have a sense of humor, I was trying to make a joke as well, if i offended you I'm sorry. But I don't plan to go EMS. I do plan to go to West Point after I graduate high School and after 10 years maybe be a police officer.
If you want to go to an Academy, you'd better have a great sense of humor and a plethora of other sanity techniques. I've had an AD CAPT (he was Army, for those who couldn't tell, so yes, this is all capitalized) tell me he was positive that the prisoners across from West Point ate better than the cadets- thing is, I believe him... ??? ;D

Isn't it really your answer? Since he was looking because of a question you asked.. I think it was more of a joke anyway, lighten up. Unless you can explain how exactly you can pay time back :o (plus interest!)- do tell, because I owe a lot of time to several NCOs.. >:D

How about shining their boots?!

Capt Fedor, I think he just volunteered for you to airmail him your boots ;)
What you said brings back sooo many memories... Hilarious, Sergeant-scathing memories.
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: Eclipse on October 11, 2010, 05:35:03 PM
I do have a sense of humor, I was trying to make a joke as well, if i offended you I'm sorry. But I don't plan to go EMS. I do plan to go to West Point after I graduate high School and after 10 years maybe be a police officer.

If you have no interest in EMS, why would you want to be the unit "medical officer" (that position being an open to a cadet notwithstanding)?
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: Hawk200 on October 11, 2010, 06:02:28 PM
I do have a sense of humor, I was trying to make a joke as well, if i offended you I'm sorry. But I don't plan to go EMS. I do plan to go to West Point after I graduate high School and after 10 years maybe be a police officer.

If you have no interest in EMS, why would you want to be the unit "medical officer" (that position being an open to a cadet notwithstanding)?
I''m thinking bling or desire of a title.
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: Krapenhoeffer on October 11, 2010, 11:41:12 PM
Ooh!! You can be the Health Services Officer (and apparently, cadets can do this if they have the "qualifications"), and badger people into getting their Flu shot!

And then, you get to wear a Star Of Life badge on your blues, and be a glorified C/Safety!

Not to mention, you do realize that virtually all EMT-Bs are volunteers, right? For the most part, it's only Paramedics who get paid. However, they have to have an Associates Degree under their belt. EMT-B is just a few months of night school, two times a week at the local community college.

Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: DakRadz on October 11, 2010, 11:44:01 PM
Heck, this sounds like a good bling gig with a title great leadership experience.

Where do I sign up? ;)

Actually, now that I know EMT isn't a huge training deal, I might look into it. Not for CAP, but it's good to know some skills. Never know when it'll pay off.
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: JayT on October 12, 2010, 12:32:54 AM
Not to mention, you do realize that virtually all EMT-Bs are volunteers, right? For the most part, it's only Paramedics who get paid. However, they have to have an Associates Degree under their belt. EMT-B is just a few months of night school, two times a week at the local community college.

Disagree. Every urban center in the county employees hundreds, if not thousands of EMT's as BLS care providers. Between paid BLS First Responders, Third Service, Voluntary Hospitals, Fire Department Based Service, Police Department Based Service, EMT's paid by Volunteer Fire and Ambulance Services.......I'd say most EMT-B's are paid.
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: Krapenhoeffer on October 12, 2010, 12:37:09 AM
Okay, then I amend my previous clause with:

Large urban centers notwithstanding.
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: JayT on October 12, 2010, 12:38:28 AM
Okay, then I amend my previous clause with:

Large urban centers notwithstanding.

*coughs* Having people around to actually get hurt is nice *coughs*

Just kidding.
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: SJFedor on October 12, 2010, 11:13:00 AM
Not to mention, you do realize that virtually all EMT-Bs are volunteers, right? For the most part, it's only Paramedics who get paid. However, they have to have an Associates Degree under their belt. EMT-B is just a few months of night school, two times a week at the local community college.

Disagree. Every urban center in the county employees hundreds, if not thousands of EMT's as BLS care providers. Between paid BLS First Responders, Third Service, Voluntary Hospitals, Fire Department Based Service, Police Department Based Service, EMT's paid by Volunteer Fire and Ambulance Services.......I'd say most EMT-B's are paid.

<----highly paid abused busy EMT-B in an urban city.
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: Major Lord on October 12, 2010, 09:13:04 PM
When I was running 911 calls with a County contracting ambulance, EMT's were paid about the same as the guy working at Taco Bell, but people would try to kill us and there was no such thing as "overtime".  Its a great job for awhile, and you get to see and do things most people never do. ( How many people have held a lunchbox with someones eyeballs in it?)  Most people burn out on EMS within ten years. Working for a Fire Department is a horse of a different color. Everyone loves firemen, the pay is great, outstanding work hours, etc.

Major Lord
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: CommGeek on October 12, 2010, 09:17:45 PM
I agree, when I was working EMS starting National Registry EMT's made 10.25 an hour!   Defiantly under appreciated!
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: HGjunkie on October 12, 2010, 09:29:58 PM
Defiantly under appreciated
Defiantly? They were defiant? Wait, what?  :angel:
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: CommGeek on October 12, 2010, 09:37:28 PM
[darn] spell check...never said EMS guys could spell good...
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: SarDragon on October 12, 2010, 09:38:41 PM
Tick-tock. Tick-tock. Tick-tock.

The original Q has been answered, with excellent amplifying info. It has degenerated to drivel.
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: CommGeek on October 12, 2010, 09:41:13 PM
The forum Nazi has spoken!!!    First amendment!   let us speak!    I bet you feel important when you sensor a post...don't you?  :)
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: HGjunkie on October 12, 2010, 09:47:06 PM
Are you talking about the language filter?
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: DakRadz on October 12, 2010, 09:47:14 PM
The forum Nazi has spoken!!!    First amendment!   let us speak!    I bet you feel important when you sensor a post...don't you?  :)
I guarantee that the mods don't base their decisions on SarDragon's comments- I've seen threads go on for 4-5 pages after the tick-tock clock. SarDragon is merely an excellent barometer of the direction that a thread is heading- or a GPS of where it is at.

Freedom of speech? By joining, you kind of agree to let the moderators run their board their way.
[prepared for backlash- I've got donuts for the wait]

P.S. SarDragon isn't a mod, merely a member expressing and utilizing his freedom of speech. He can't change or sensor any posts, merely drown them in logic.

SarDragon: Sir, I think you were right about this tick-tocking away... :)
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: HGjunkie on October 12, 2010, 09:48:35 PM
[prepared for backlash- I've got donuts for the wait]
Got any coffee and candy corn?  :P
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: CommGeek on October 12, 2010, 11:25:47 PM
No. Sardragon threatening to lock the post
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: DakRadz on October 12, 2010, 11:34:14 PM
No, sir... SarDragon has zero moderator capabilities.

Guess what? I've made posts about locking topics too, but I can't do it. I just happened to be right about the mods deciding to lock it.
See here:
http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=11008.msg201452#msg201452

Doesn't mean I actually locked it. Because I can't.
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: SarDragon on October 12, 2010, 11:51:29 PM
For starters, that's censor.

Dak is correct, I'm not a mod, and have no aspirations to be one. It's outside my skill set. I can, however, suggest to our forum members that one of two things happen: the thread gets back on track, or, it's time to lock it. I leave that decision, and task, for the real mods.
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: HGjunkie on October 13, 2010, 05:50:20 AM
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Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: CommGeek on October 13, 2010, 08:45:04 AM
Wow...i was trying to make a funny....chill out!

(wishes I could lock a post!) hahaha
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: DakRadz on October 13, 2010, 04:36:57 PM
Wow...i was trying to make a funny....chill out!

(wishes I could lock a post!) hahaha

Accusing a (in my opinion) respected member of the board of censorship** and attacking him for powers he hath not...

No, still not funny.
But hey, maybe I should lighten up? ::)
Title: Re: EMT Cadets?
Post by: HGjunkie on October 13, 2010, 05:45:34 PM
No, still not funny.
But hey, maybe I should lighten up? ::)

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:angel: