ironing just assumed?

Started by MrsRoe, March 20, 2018, 04:51:40 AM

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Eclipse

This is easy, if it isn't in an approved regulation or local supplement, then it's not a "thing"
and shouldn't be enforced.

Best lesson to teach her is not to embellish the written and to quash wive's tales.

The totality of what is required / allowed by NHQ is above.  Anything else is made up.

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MrsRoe

Quote from: Eclipse on March 20, 2018, 04:45:22 PM
This is easy, if it isn't in an approved regulation or local supplement, then it's not a "thing"
and shouldn't be enforced.

Best lesson to teach her is not to embellish the written and to quash wive's tales.

The totality of what is required / allowed by NHQ is above.  Anything else is made up.

Thanks, as always, for your help and advice.


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Spam

It may surprise some of you but i strongly agree with Eclipse on this.  Mrs., the "supplements" he speaks of need to be reviewed and approved by national headquarters. Local units and even Wings (states) just cant make up reaaly cool procedures and enforce them.

Standing up to other peoples efforts to add jots and tittles to what is written is a life skill to learn. People will always try to add their personal spin to compel others to their point of view. It is a human trait that shows up in every religion and every volunteer organization...

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J2H

The ABU is a "wash and wear" no ironing required, so I never put an iron to my ABUs (from 2008-2012 on Active Duty) and neither do my daughter and I now for CAP.
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I_Am_Twigs

Ever since I've got my ABUs I've lightly ironed the collar and any wrinkles that I find, in addition when I roll up my sleeves I usually iron it as I go to give it a sharp look. I agree, the ABU/CFU/BDU uniforms are all field uniforms and you don't need to worry about how they look, but I personally think that only applies in the field. When you're at a weekly meeting or recruiting activity you're going to want to look sharp, therefore giving your uniform touch-ups here and there.

QuoteI have seen a more then a few "shiny circles" on the CFU over the years where buttons were
pressed or ironed under the pockets, but everyone know's CAP is supposed to removed them
and sew them down AMIRITE?

I've always been told that we're allowed to use the pockets as long as the items aren't bulky or visible. Which comes in handy when I need my sewing kit or short ruler  ;D

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Eclipse

Of course you're allowed to use the pockets.

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Geber

As far as using pockets go, I've seen videos on youtube that try to give hints to recruits going through AF basic military training. Those videos emphasize that nothing goes in the pockets.

But that's a totally different environment. The recruits are told exactly what they can have and exactly where they can store it. That's not at all like the Air Force after they complete basic training, and it's not at ll like CAP.

I suspect the "empty pockets" idea has escaped from the basic training environment and infested some other environments.

Luis R. Ramos

Ohh, what gives you THAT idea?

Surely it is NOT the comments you read here from some that "nothing goes in your (cargo, BDU blouse) pockets?"

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Eclipse

By no means is there any prohibition regarding using field uniform pockets,
nor requirement to sew them down.  The facetious apparently gets lost on the intertubes.

I do usually pull the buttons and sew mine down (on the shirt) when I'm doing the nametapes.
I haven't gone so far as to cut the sides off, but I  might this time (new stuff sitting
on the bench waiting).

Baggy pockets on the top are just unprofessional, and it's one more thing to get snagged, or whatever.

That's personal preference, not requirement, or even suggestion.  Done poorly it can look
even worse, and for cadets it's another hassle / expense mom doesn't need for something
they probably won't wear more then a year or so.  For olde dudes, I'll have these
for years.

Besides, I keep all my trauma and intubation stuff in one of my three drop-leg medbags.

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PA Guy


Good grief. This conversation could only take place on CAP Talk. Common sense should tell you that the intent is to simply not look like a rag bag. Don't overthink this. ::) ::) ::)

MrsRoe

Quote from: PA Guy on March 21, 2018, 06:24:25 PM

Good grief. This conversation could only take place on CAP Talk. Common sense should tell you that the intent is to simply not look like a rag bag. Don't overthink this. ::) ::) ::)

I'm not sure there's much overthinking happening but I certainly agree with common sense. I can't really guide my child on how to approach this if I don't fully understand it. We have cadets "marked off" for lack of creases and that burns her butt because she's the granddaughter of cops and airmen so she's a big ole fan of "show me the rule"


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ALH

I had the inspecting cadets write down detailed notes of 'infractions' during an inspection. They were required to provide me with a regulatory cite for each infraction prior to directing corrective actions. That was required just once or twice before a lot of those "That's what I was taught" reasonings went away or differing intreptations were standardized.

The same goes with a copy of guidance for drill & ceremonies. One cadet leader (senior NCO or officer type) would shadow a flight in drill and look up the movements being made. They had the opportunity to interject and correct proir to me being inclined to do so. If the flight was doing it wrong, and the one directing the marching wasn't being corrected, then it was the job of that advisor to course correct.

Flying Pig

You would have to use an entire bottle of Sta-Flo starch to even begin to have an issue with your uniforms reflecting light to be seen with NVGs  ;D

Eclipse

All I did was wash my uniform Sir...


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TheSkyHornet

Bear in mind that any military basic training program goes "above and beyond" the regulations as far as prohibited actions. Even if a uniform regulation permits the use of something, in that environment, it's often prohibited. Basic training is meant to standardize everyone under a common thought. Then, "out in the fleet," you'll get the general unit SOPs and best practices.

There's nothing wrong with using pockets. At an Encampment, they might say "You are not to use this pocket." That's just a training tool for standardized discipline. Don't take that home with you. Read the book.