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Started by addo1, September 14, 2007, 01:25:56 AM

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addo1

  Could a former 1st Lt. in the Navy start out with a higher rank in CAP?
Addison Jaynes, SFO, CAP
Coordinator, Texas Wing International Air Cadet Exchange


National Cadet Advisory Council 2010

topsecret

Certainly, if he/she has mission related skills or other qualifications (as outlined in CAPR 35-5) which warrant such a promotion.

First lieutenant isn't a bad initial officer grade, considering it takes 18 months plus paperwork lag time.

SDF_Specialist

As a Personnel Officer, I've been asked this numerous times by many people (not on this board). If you are a Lieutenant J.G. in the Navy (1st Lt), then you can become that grade, and that grade only. You will have to train to gain the higher ranks, but you can start out as the grade you left AD military in. Now since the regs seem to change every other day, I could be wrong.
SDF_Specialist

davedove

I'm assuming by First Lieutenant, you're not talking about Lieutenant J.G.  If I'm mistaken, the following applies, just at the lower grade.

Quote from: topsecret on September 14, 2007, 01:28:04 AM
Certainly, if he/she has mission related skills or other qualifications (as outlined in CAPR 35-5) which warrant such a promotion.

First lieutenant isn't a bad initial officer grade, considering it takes 18 months plus paperwork lag time.

Actually, in the Navy this is an O-3, equivalent to an Air Force (or Army or Marine) Captain.  After Level I is completed, and the appropriate people approve (this would be a group level approval), the member may be promoted to Captain.

Quote from: Recruiter on September 14, 2007, 01:29:09 AM
As a Personnel Officer, I've been asked this numerous times by many people (not on this board). If you are a Lieutenant J.G. in the Navy (1st Lt), then you can become that grade, and that grade only. You will have to train to gain the higher ranks, but you can start out as the grade you left AD military in. Now since the regs seem to change every other day, I could be wrong.

This is still in the regs, so yes the individual may be promoted to Captain after Level I is complete.
David W. Dove, Maj, CAP
Deputy Commander for Seniors
Personnel/PD/Asst. Testing Officer
Ground Team Leader
Frederick Composite Squadron
MER-MD-003

SDF_Specialist

One thing I want to be sure on is do you mean First Lieutenant = Lieutnenant J.G., or Captain = Lieutenant? 
SDF_Specialist

JohnKachenmeister

"First Lieutenant" in the Navy is not a rank.  It is a duty position on a ship or station.  The First Lieutenant (regardless of rank) is responsible for berthing, messing, and housekeeping duties, not unlike the "Headquarters Commander" in the Army.

As far as rank goes, a "Lieutenant (Junior Grade)" is an O-2; a "Lieutenant" is an O-3.  A "Captain" is an O-6, which presented numerous opportunities for me to engage in waste, fraud, and abuse when I was an Army O-3, merely by checking into quarters on Navy bases in civilian clothes.

"I'm Captain Kachenmeister, and I reserved quarters earlier by phone."

"Yes, sir, your room is available in the Distinguished Visitor quarters.  The driver will get your bags."

Another former CAP officer

MIKE

Or do you mean First Lieutenant the postion?

Quote from: WikipediaUS Navy and US Coast Guard
In the United States Navy, First Lieutenant is a position title and is held by the officer in command of the Deck department. On smaller ships, a First Lieutenant holds the rank of Lieutenant Junior Grade or Ensign. On larger vessels, the position is held by a Lieutenant or, in the case of extremely large warships such as aircraft carriers, a Lieutenant Commander or even full Commander. However, on US submarines, where the deck department may only have a few junior sailors, the First Lieutenant may be a senior enlisted member, such as a first class petty officer or chief petty officer.

Just to further confuse the issue.  >:D
Mike Johnston

SDF_Specialist

Well what I'm getting is that addo1 may be trying to translate Naval grade into our grade. So First Lieutenant for us would be Lieutenant J.G. for the Navy. I think this is the point, but I'm never certain unless told to be.
SDF_Specialist

James Shaw

This should clear up some confusion.
Jim Shaw
USN: 1987-1992
GANG: 1996-1998
CAP:2000 - SER-SO
USCGA:2019 - BC-TDI/National Safety Team
SGAUS: 2017 - MEMS Academy State Director (Iowa)

SDF_Specialist

Much off topic, but why doesn't the Marines follow the same rank titles as the Navy since they are under the department of the Navy? I mean this from an officer standpoint.
SDF_Specialist

MIKE

They share the insignia of the Navy (and CG) for Officers and Warrent Officers but the titles for Officers are the same as the Army and the Air Force... Note that in the chart posted above, the metal insignia is wrong.
Mike Johnston

SDF_Specialist

Wrong in an Admiral view?
SDF_Specialist

pixelwonk

#12
Well, for one the CWO5 insignia  is a narrow parallel black bar, not what is pictured there.

Marine Capt and Navy/CG Lieutenant insiginia look wrong too.  should be:


Edit: added pics -TA

James Shaw

I will try and find a correct one.
Jim Shaw
USN: 1987-1992
GANG: 1996-1998
CAP:2000 - SER-SO
USCGA:2019 - BC-TDI/National Safety Team
SGAUS: 2017 - MEMS Academy State Director (Iowa)

MIKE

Quote from: tedda on September 14, 2007, 05:45:23 PM
Well, for one the CWO5 insignia  is a narrow parallel black bar, not what is pictured there.

The chart has the old insignia... This is a relatively recent change.  Couple of years ago maybe.
Mike Johnston

Flying Pig

Quote from: Recruiter on September 14, 2007, 03:44:41 PM
Much off topic, but why doesn't the Marines follow the same rank titles as the Navy since they are under the department of the Navy? I mean this from an officer standpoint.

A recruit in my platoon asked this when I was in boot camp during a class.  And we spent the next 30 minutes in the sand pit with some DI yelling about blasphemy.

SDF_Specialist

Quote from: Flying Pig on September 15, 2007, 12:45:13 AM
Quote from: Recruiter on September 14, 2007, 03:44:41 PM
Much off topic, but why doesn't the Marines follow the same rank titles as the Navy since they are under the department of the Navy? I mean this from an officer standpoint.

A recruit in my platoon asked this when I was in boot camp during a class.  And we spent the next 30 minutes in the sand pit with some DI yelling about blasphemy.

My condolences. That had to be fun  :o
SDF_Specialist

ZigZag911

Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on September 14, 2007, 02:43:12 PM
A "Captain" is an O-6, which presented numerous opportunities for me to engage in waste, fraud, and abuse when I was an Army O-3, merely by checking into quarters on Navy bases in civilian clothes.

"I'm Captain Kachenmeister, and I reserved quarters earlier by phone."

"Yes, sir, your room is available in the Distinguished Visitor quarters.  The driver will get your bags."

I once saw a CAP major pull a similar scam at a USAF VOQ, getting a CAP chaplain
(captain) into field grade quarters by convincing the AF E-3 running the front desk that The Major needed 'his' chaplain available around the clock!

SAR-EMT1

To this day, Ive never actually seen a VOQ or VAQ
Just the base  hotel. Unless the Q rooms are part of the hotel....  ::)
Whats the breakdown in enlisted-nco-company officers-field officers-flag officers | rooms? (I mean at the Q, not the residences)

Related- indirectly, do CAP members usually get a room comminsurate to whats on our epulets?
C. A. Edgar
AUX USCG Flotilla 8-8
Former CC / GLR-IL-328
Firefighter, Paramedic, Grad Student

SAR-EMT1

Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on September 14, 2007, 02:43:12 PM
  A "Captain" is an O-6, which presented numerous opportunities for me to engage in waste, fraud, and abuse when I was an Army O-3, merely by checking into quarters on Navy bases in civilian clothes.

"I'm Captain Kachenmeister, and I reserved quarters earlier by phone."

"Yes, sir, your room is available in the Distinguished Visitor quarters.  The driver will get your bags."


What was the outcome when they realized the mistake?
C. A. Edgar
AUX USCG Flotilla 8-8
Former CC / GLR-IL-328
Firefighter, Paramedic, Grad Student