As cadets, do we salute state defense force officers? Not National Guard, but state defense forces that report to the governor.
I'm gonna answer your questions with a question, what does CAP Pamphlet 151 say about saluting?
Quote from: CorsairPilot on April 30, 2022, 05:10:49 PMAs cadets, do we salute state defense force officers? Not National Guard, but state defense forces that report to the governor.
The guidance I've always followed:
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When in doubt... whip it out!"
Quote from: baronet68 on May 01, 2022, 04:16:05 AM"When in doubt... whip it out!"
"When in doubt, salute" is what the pamphlet says, and is a far more appropriate thing to tell members of a youth program.
Quote from: jeders on April 30, 2022, 07:06:11 PMI'm gonna answer your questions with a question, what does CAP Pamphlet 151 say about saluting?
The only manual I had known that covered saluting was 60-33. I will check CAPP 151.
I'm not sure what the manual says, but if a SDF, Police Officer, Fire Fighter, etc. walks past me wearing a higher rank (i.e. Eagles or Stars), I come to attention, present a hand salute and offer the greeting of the day (i.e. Good Morning Ma'am, Good Afternoon Sir, etc.).
I call it professional courtesy.
Conversely, anyone who salutes me, gets a proper salute in return. Again, professional courtesy.
Quote from: CorsairPilot on May 01, 2022, 05:32:10 PMQuote from: jeders on April 30, 2022, 07:06:11 PMI'm gonna answer your questions with a question, what does CAP Pamphlet 151 say about saluting?
The only manual I had known that covered saluting was 60-33. I will check CAPP 151.
Glad I could help.
As an aside, CAPP 60-33 (which IMHO should be avoided whenever possible in favor of the source document, AFMAN 36-2203) tells you how to do things, not when or why. CAPP 151, in addition to a number of other topics, tells you when it is appropriate to salute off the drill pad (i.e. the other 90% of your CAP time).
Because we've had this discussion MULTIPLE times in my squadron recently, I will go ahead and highlight this important section of 151.
Quote from: CAPP 151, page 6When in doubt, salute. Anyone may render a salute at any time if they believe one is warranted.
In other words, it is never wrong to show courtesy and respect to another person.
Quote from: jeders on May 02, 2022, 10:10:08 PMQuote from: CorsairPilot on May 01, 2022, 05:32:10 PMQuote from: jeders on April 30, 2022, 07:06:11 PMI'm gonna answer your questions with a question, what does CAP Pamphlet 151 say about saluting?
The only manual I had known that covered saluting was 60-33. I will check CAPP 151.
Glad I could help.
As an aside, CAPP 60-33 (which IMHO should be avoided whenever possible in favor of the source document, AFMAN 36-2203) tells you how to do things, not when or why. CAPP 151, in addition to a number of other topics, tells you when it is appropriate to salute off the drill pad (i.e. the other 90% of your CAP time).
Because we've had this discussion MULTIPLE times in my squadron recently, I will go ahead and highlight this important section of 151.
Quote from: CAPP 151, page 6When in doubt, salute. Anyone may render a salute at any time if they believe one is warranted.
In other words, it is never wrong to show courtesy and respect to another person.
But don't get upset if they don't return your salute. Especially if they weren't expecting a salute.
Yes they
should return your salute, but there are more important things going on in the world to worry about if they don't.
You're kidding, right?
Remember that the State Defense Forces are authorized by federal law -- 32 USC, Section 109. That means that even though they are under the full control of a governor, there is federal recognition of that program.
Commissioned state guard officers are more than likely college graduates whose commissions were either previously federally recognized or they are graduates of the same OTS that a state's National Guard officers attended.
Also remember one other significant difference to CAP, SDFs are paid for their active service and in some instances they even qualify for that federal Armed Forces Reserve Medal.
That said, I concur with everyone else, when in doubt you better salute. It's a matter of respect.
That law authorizes states to maintain a defense force but that acknowledgement doesn't make them federal. That's a bit dramatic of an implication. A salute is a custom and a courtesy so I'll mirror what everyone else said.
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As the others have said, when in doubt, salute.
Haven't really run across an SDF officer of a higher rank to salute, but I've been saluted by SDF members (to include one of their battalion sergeant majors). I've also been saluted by military members both active duty and guard.
If someone takes the time to render a courtesy to me, whether I'm entitled to it or not, it behooves me to repay that courtesy. I'm sure that SDF officer would most likely do the same.
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