What would constitute impersonating an officer?

Started by RogueLeader, February 26, 2008, 05:41:11 PM

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RogueLeader

I know that the USC makes it illegal to impersonate a member of the military or its aux.  Just what would constitute impersonation? 

Stating to be a member when not?
Wearing the uniform when not a member?
Wearing a grade other than current?
Wearing decorations not earned?
Others?

Also what are the penalties of such?
WYWG DP

GRW 3340

cnitas

Quote from: RogueLeader on February 26, 2008, 05:41:11 PM

Wearing decorations not earned?

This obviously does not constitute "impersonating an officer".  It is still in very poor taste and can get you in trouble...particularly wearing or claiming to have earned US Military medals you have not. (Stolen Valor Act)
Mark A. Piersall, Lt Col, CAP
Frederick Composite Squadron
MER-MD-003

JohnKachenmeister

Quote from: RogueLeader on February 26, 2008, 05:41:11 PM
I know that the USC makes it illegal to impersonate a member of the military or its aux.  Just what would constitute impersonation? 

Stating to be a member when not?
Wearing the uniform when not a member?
Wearing a grade other than current?
Wearing decorations not earned?
Others?

Also what are the penalties of such?

Wearing the uniform of an officer without authority; assuming a role of command by claiming to be an officer when one is not;  telling another that one is an officer knowing that statement to be false.

If I recall correctly, $5,000 fine and/or 6 months in prison is the maximum penalty.

The key is it must be an OVERT act on the part of the offender, with an intention to deceive.  Wearing a jacket that says "Captain Smith" on it does not constitute impersonating an officer even if another person erroneously concludes that the wearer is a military or naval captain.
Another former CAP officer

Duke Dillio

Here's a funny story for you.  There was a guy on Fort Sill who got caught walking around the PX with silver colonel's birds on his lapels.  The problem was that the guy was a private in basic training and he was wearing a BDU uniform.  This guys just kinda waltzed into clothing sales, bought two sets of birds, put them on his collars and hat, and then walked around until the MP's got him.  This was probably about 10 years ago and I can't remember exactly what happened to him.  I do recall that he wasn't in the Army for much longer after that...

DC

Quote from: sargrunt on February 27, 2008, 12:18:22 AM
Here's a funny story for you.  There was a guy on Fort Sill who got caught walking around the PX with silver colonel's birds on his lapels.  The problem was that the guy was a private in basic training and he was wearing a BDU uniform.  This guys just kinda waltzed into clothing sales, bought two sets of birds, put them on his collars and hat, and then walked around until the MP's got him.  This was probably about 10 years ago and I can't remember exactly what happened to him.  I do recall that he wasn't in the Army for much longer after that...
If he was a Private in Basic, wouldn't the hair (or lack thereof) and the fact that he was likely too young to be a bird colonel be a tip off? That just seems stupid...

afgeo4

Quote from: DC on February 27, 2008, 01:37:48 AM
Quote from: sargrunt on February 27, 2008, 12:18:22 AM
Here's a funny story for you.  There was a guy on Fort Sill who got caught walking around the PX with silver colonel's birds on his lapels.  The problem was that the guy was a private in basic training and he was wearing a BDU uniform.  This guys just kinda waltzed into clothing sales, bought two sets of birds, put them on his collars and hat, and then walked around until the MP's got him.  This was probably about 10 years ago and I can't remember exactly what happened to him.  I do recall that he wasn't in the Army for much longer after that...
If he was a Private in Basic, wouldn't the hair (or lack thereof) and the fact that he was likely too young to be a bird colonel be a tip off? That just seems stupid...
No one said he was a smart private. If he was, he'd be an airman.  8)
GEORGE LURYE

DNall

Quotesmart private.
Is there such a thing?
QuoteIf he was, he'd be an airman.  8)
yeah that's a little funny.

♠SARKID♠

From Section 90 of the 1996 Police Act -

Impersonations, etc.


  • (1) Any person who with intent to deceive impersonates a member of a police force or special constable, or makes any statement or does any act calculated falsely to suggest that he is such a member or constable, shall be guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or to both.

  • (2) Any person who, not being a constable, wears any article of police uniform in circumstances where it gives him an appearance so nearly resembling that of a member of a police force as to be calculated to deceive shall be guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.

  • (3) Any person who, not being a member of a police force or special constable, has in his possession any article of police uniform shall, unless he proves that he obtained possession of that article lawfully and has possession of it for a lawful purpose, be guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 1 on the standard scale.

  • (4) In this section—

    • (a) "article of police uniform" means any article of uniform or any distinctive badge or mark or document of identification usually issued to members of police forces or special constables, or anything having the appearance of such an article, badge, mark or document, and

    • (b) "special constable" means a special constable appointed for a police area.

JohnKachenmeister

Quote from: ♠SARKID♠ on February 27, 2008, 09:33:24 AM
From Section 90 of the 1996 Police Act -

Impersonations, etc.


  • (1) Any person who with intent to deceive impersonates a member of a police force or special constable, or makes any statement or does any act calculated falsely to suggest that he is such a member or constable, shall be guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or to both.

  • (2) Any person who, not being a constable, wears any article of police uniform in circumstances where it gives him an appearance so nearly resembling that of a member of a police force as to be calculated to deceive shall be guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.

  • (3) Any person who, not being a member of a police force or special constable, has in his possession any article of police uniform shall, unless he proves that he obtained possession of that article lawfully and has possession of it for a lawful purpose, be guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 1 on the standard scale.

  • (4) In this section—

    • (a) "article of police uniform" means any article of uniform or any distinctive badge or mark or document of identification usually issued to members of police forces or special constables, or anything having the appearance of such an article, badge, mark or document, and

    • (b) "special constable" means a special constable appointed for a police area.
I think they are looking at the US Code making it a crime to impersonate MILITARY officers, although the "Intent to deceive" is likely a common element.[/list]
Another former CAP officer

cnitas

Quote from: ♠SARKID♠ on February 27, 2008, 09:33:24 AM

  • (3) Any person who, not being a member of a police force or special constable, has in his possession any article of police uniform shall, unless he proves that he obtained possession of that article lawfully and has possession of it for a lawful purpose, be guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 1 on the standard scale.

My emphasis...

Interesting.  The accused needs to prove their innocence.
Mark A. Piersall, Lt Col, CAP
Frederick Composite Squadron
MER-MD-003

RogueLeader

    Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on February 27, 2008, 02:19:15 PM

    I think they are looking at the US Code making it a crime to impersonate MILITARY officers, although the "Intent to deceive" is likely a common element.[/list]

    Yes, I tried googling it, as well as searching here for it, but i could not find a site for the USC.
    WYWG DP

    GRW 3340

    Major Lord

    Virtually every State has a statute making it illegal to masquerade as a government employee of any kind. The problem you are having in searches, is that  the terms you are searching by are common usage terms, and not necessarily legal terms. Try searching under "False Personation" and you Will find a ton of info. There is a court case you should see that I believe addresses your specific question: http://supreme.justia.com/us/239/74/

    I hope that the gist of your question is not whether CAP people are impersonating Officers! We had one member of our Squadron, who would go out trolling on base for young female Airmen ( Or "Persons of Air", to be politically correct) in his CAP 1st Lt costume. Naturally, we had to eat his liver with fava beans and a nice Chianti.....

    Major Lord

    Cadet Survival School-Because Life is not fair!
    "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."

    mikeylikey

    These days it is real easy to see if a person is an Officer or not.  Find someone with AKO/ Air force Portal/ NKO login rights, then just look up the person and see if they are an Officer or not.  What is really cool, Is I may be in the Army, but I have access to Air Force Portal and the navy-Marine Corps similar systems.  I have run My fair share of checks.  Now, what would I do if I found someone to be lying, Not sure.  We had a guy here a few months ago claiming to be something he was not, a few of us got on the military computers and checked the guy out, and found out he was lying.  I took his public apology here to all of us as good enough for me, and did not pursue it further.  YMMV
    What's up monkeys?

    Hawk200

    Quote from: mikeylikey on February 27, 2008, 04:06:15 PM
    These days it is real easy to see if a person is an Officer or not.  Find someone with AKO/ Air force Portal/ NKO login rights, then just look up the person and see if they are an Officer or not.  What is really cool, Is I may be in the Army, but I have access to Air Force Portal and the navy-Marine Corps similar systems.  I have run My fair share of checks.  Now, what would I do if I found someone to be lying, Not sure.  We had a guy here a few months ago claiming to be something he was not, a few of us got on the military computers and checked the guy out, and found out he was lying.  I took his public apology here to all of us as good enough for me, and did not pursue it further.  YMMV

    Got AKO myself, be interested in knowing how you did it. Never done it, never thought about it. If it's not something you want to post here, could you send me a PM?

    JohnKachenmeister

    Quote from: cnitas on February 27, 2008, 02:35:32 PM
    Quote from: ♠SARKID♠ on February 27, 2008, 09:33:24 AM

    • (3) Any person who, not being a member of a police force or special constable, has in his possession any article of police uniform shall, unless he proves that he obtained possession of that article lawfully and has possession of it for a lawful purpose, be guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 1 on the standard scale.

    My emphasis...

    Interesting.  The accused needs to prove their innocence.

    Not quite correct.  The accused must prove the existance of an affirmative defense. 
    Another former CAP officer

    JohnKachenmeister

    "False Personation of an Officer of the United States" (18 USC 44) is a felony, but requires specific intent to defraud another.

    18 USC 33 sec. 702 makes it a misdemeanor (6 months in jail, max) to wear the uniform of the Armed Forces of the US, the Public Health Service of the US, or any auxiliary thereof.

    Another former CAP officer

    JohnKachenmeister

    18 USC Chap 33 sec. 704:  False wearing of medals or decorations.

    705:  False use of a badge of a veterans' organization.

    706:  Misuse of the Red Cross insignia.
    Another former CAP officer

    JohnKachenmeister

    It is also illegal to impersonate "Smokey the Bear" or "Woodsy Owl."
    Another former CAP officer

    cnitas

    Dang, I just got my woodsy owl costume off ebay.  I guess I need to send it back now.   :-\
    Mark A. Piersall, Lt Col, CAP
    Frederick Composite Squadron
    MER-MD-003

    cnitas

    And for what its worth:

    Title 18, United States Code, Section 704

    (b) False Claims About Receipt of Military Medals. - Whoever falsely represents himself or herself, verbally or in writing, to have been awarded any decoration or medal authorized by Congress for the armed forces of the United States, or any of the service medals or badges awarded to the member of such forces, or the ribbon button, or rosette of any such badge, decoration or medal, or any colorable imitation thereof shall be fined under this title for imprisoned not more than six months, or both
    Mark A. Piersall, Lt Col, CAP
    Frederick Composite Squadron
    MER-MD-003