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Uniforms & Awards / Re: Unit Patch vs Higher Comma...
Last post by NIN - Today at 11:36:49 am
Quote from: Ned on Today at 01:11:37 amI know you are under the weather, but that has to be the most "un-Nin" thing I have read in a while.

My personal wager is that you would have 5-6 pair of boots prominently displayed in your walk in Uniform Closet.

Shush, Ned. I was making a point!

<checks Walk-in Uniform Closet>

1 pr spitshined jump boots, black
1 pr old-school flight boots, black

There's an old pair of Corcorans around here someplace that are retired. I think they're in the basement.
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Uniforms & Awards / Re: Unit Patch vs Higher Comma...
Last post by Ned - Today at 01:11:37 am
Quote from: NIN on Yesterday at 03:53:12 pmI wear corp & AF style. I don't need to have two pair of boots: one for wear with OCP and a pair for wear with BBDU, etc.

I know you are under the weather, but that has to be the most "un-Nin" thing I have read in a while.

My personal wager is that you would have 5-6 pair of boots prominently displayed in your walk in Uniform Closet.
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Membership / Re: Definition for "member in ...
Last post by NovemberWhiskey - Yesterday at 08:13:16 pm
There is CAPR 35-1 for the definition of "active status", but I don't think I've ever seen "in good standing" formally defined.
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The Lobby / Re: Covid Remobilization, Upda...
Last post by NovemberWhiskey - Yesterday at 07:59:12 pm
Is it really the case that no wings have regressed to Phase 2 or Phase 1 yet? There's a whole chunk of NER that should be heading back there based on the current metrics.

I'm looking at:

  • CT with 76.8 cases/100K/day and 1.36 infection rate
  • RI with 76.0 cases/100K/day and 1.16 infection rate
  • MA with 66.2 cases/100K/day and 1.17 infection rate
  • NJ with 55.4 cases/100K/day and 1.18 infection rate
  • NY with 50.9 cases/100K/day and 1.11 infection rate

... all with broadly confirmed upward trajectories.

Published NHQ guidance is >50 cases/100K/day and >1.0 infection rate means fall back to Phase 2; >70 cases/100K/day and >1.0 infection rate means fall back to Phase 1. ref https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/COVID19_Phase_Guidance_FA6D70CD1ED8F.pdf
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Uniforms & Awards / Re: Unit Patch vs Higher Comma...
Last post by NIN - Yesterday at 03:53:12 pm
While everybody gets wrapped around the axle about black boots...

1) Cadets can wear low quarters or boots in Class B blues (technically the only required uniform). At least for the first year, that can be a fair cost saving for mom & dad;
2) Black boots can be worn across the full spectrum of CAP utility uniforms both AF-style and corporate (ABU, BBDU, both FDUs, and CWU).

I get it, we want to look like Big Momma Blue and not like the red-headed stepchildren.

However:
1) We have a requirement for distinctiveness (as Phil quoted). That can surely be accomplished other ways (full color patches, our dark navy tapes, etc);
2) Tan/coyote boots are still fairly expensive. I can score a decent pair of black boots (either secret sneakers or regular combat boots) locally for around $50-75. I haven't seen tan/coyote boots of similar quality for that price. Usually, they're $100 and up and online-only (yes, I have seen Bellevilles via Sportman's Guide for $39).

I wear corp & AF style. I don't need to have two pair of boots: one for wear with OCP and a pair for wear with BBDU, etc.

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Uniforms & Awards / Re: Add Stars to the Grover Lo...
Last post by Jester - Yesterday at 12:43:37 pm
There should really just be one PD/ET ribbon with a numeral device on it for the highest level completed.  You can still have the individual awards & their namesakes, the giant certificates that only get seen once at presentation, etc.

Just get rid of the ribbons for all of them.  I submitted it to the innovation competition, doubt cutting back on ribbons will get much attention.
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Uniforms & Awards / Re: Unit Patch vs Higher Comma...
Last post by Jester - Yesterday at 12:41:21 pm
Quote from: PHall on May 16, 2022, 10:16:13 pmStill have a requirement to easily distinguished in low light levels from USAF/USSF members when wearing the USAF style uniform. The black boots are an easy way to do this.
And this is a USAF requirement.

Where is that written down?
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Uniforms & Awards / Re: Add Stars to the Grover Lo...
Last post by ColonelJack - Yesterday at 10:04:39 am
Quote from: Shuman 14 on Yesterday at 02:17:08 amFollowing that logic, perhaps we should only wear the ribbon of highest level of CAP Professional Development completed, with a star on it to represent the highest level of USAF PME completed... a Wilson with a Gold Star being the ultimate Order of Distinction.

A lot of people do just that, to keep from having the ribbon rack go too high (especially when wearing military ribbons along with CAP ribbons).  The directive is "wear some or all."

Jack
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Uniforms & Awards / Re: Unit Patch vs Higher Comma...
Last post by PHall - Yesterday at 04:30:55 am
DAFI 10-2702 Organization and Function of the Civil Air Patrol 17 June 2021

1.2.3.2. The CAP-USAF Commander performs the following:

1.2.3.2.4. Approves CAP grade structure, wear and grooming standards for USAFstyle uniforms and variations thereof, and membership cards, ensuring distinction from DAF uniforms and identification cards;


The black boots are seen as an easy and cost effective way to comply with this requirement.
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Uniforms & Awards / Re: Add Stars to the Grover Lo...
Last post by Shuman 14 - Yesterday at 02:17:08 am
Quote from: baronet68 on Yesterday at 01:32:10 amThink of SOS, ACSC, and AWC as being like Middle School, High School, and College respectively. *

  • Graduate Middle School, you tell everyone.
  • Graduate High School, you tell everyone and people might ask about your Middle School.
  • Graduate College, people might ask you about High School but nobody cares about your Middle School.


* Disclaimer - I'm not saying that Squadron Officer School or Middle School aren't important, just that they start to lose their luster as you complete higher-level accomplishments.

Fair points.

Following that logic, perhaps we should only wear the ribbon of highest level of CAP Professional Development completed, with a star on it to represent the highest level of USAF PME completed... a Wilson with a Gold Star being the ultimate Order of Distinction.
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