CG falls in line with Armed Forces to recognize CAP Cadets Hard work

[CadetProgramGuy]

Coast Guard Elistment Encentives.  As of 22 June 2006 the US Coast Guard matches USAF encentives for cadets that have earned the Billy Mitchell Award (enlistment as E-3). 
From the CG Recruiting Manual:   
4. U.S. Air Force Civil Air Patrol (CAP).   
a. Applicants with two years of experience are eligible to enlist in pay grade E-2.   
b. Applicants with three years of experience or cadets who receive the General Billy Mitchell Award are eligible to enlist in the pay grade of E-3. 24 Apr 07

[RiverAux]

You know, the way that reads you do not have to be a cadet to take advantage.  A senior with 2 or 3 years of CAP experience could also enlist at a higher grade. 

[afgeo4]

I don't see why a senior with the grade of 1st Lt or Capt shouldn't get E-3 or even higher. We allow these men and women to lead others. They learn many skills important to the military. We train them as leaders no worse than we do the cadets. I think it's a great idea. Now it's USAF and USCG... who's next?

[Eclipse]

Its not USAF as a Senior, and certainly the CG as a senior was conjecture.

The Army and Navy also allow for accelerated promotions, though frankly after some of the conversations I've had with cadets on the way in, I'm not as impressed as I used to be by the process.

It sounds like e-2 is a fairly easy klick to get on the way in based on any number of thing done, or available between signing and swearing, e-3 seems to have a bunch of ways, too.

I had no idea recruiting a buddy could get you a grade klick...

[mikeylikey]

b. Applicants with three years of experience or cadets who receive the General Billy Mitchell Award are eligible to enlist in the pay grade of E-3. 24 Apr 07

Great, 16 year old kid wants to join the CG.  He/she has mom or dad pay for the 3 year membership upfront.  Attends a meeting say twice a year, and in 3 years enlists in the CG at E-3.  I bet someone will do it!

E-1= $1301.40
E-3= $1534.20

O-1= $2469.30
0-3= $3292.20

May view is if they are doing it for members enlisting, then they should also do it for Officers.  Billy Mitchell Award = 0-3!!!!!!

[afgeo4]

One of my former cadets was enlisting in USAF after a few years of service in CAP and her recruiter asked for a copy of her ENTIRE cap record. We made a copy and handed it to the cadet for carry to the recruiter. I suspect other services will ask for that as well. If they see that the cadet had not promoted or participated in 3 years, they will not be so opt to give the cadet credit for the service. They may even look at him/her twice for recruitment. Probably not, but they may.

[davedove]

May view is if they are doing it for members enlisting, then they should also do it for Officers.  Billy Mitchell Award = 0-3!!!!!!

No way!!  The difference in responsibility between an E-1 and E-3 really isn't that great.  They basically do the same job.  The E-3 might get put in charge of a small detail or a squad, but nothing more.

The difference between the responsibilities of an O-1 and an O-3 is MUCH greater.  The O-1 will be put in charge of a platoon while the O-3 will be in charge of a company (or the equivalent in the different services).

[jimmydeanno]

That's cool, but I don't like the ____ # of years experience clause.  A cadet that gets to C/SSgt in 3 years gets the equivilent of a Mitchell Cadet who made it to C/Maj in 3 years...

I do wonder if you can get advanced enlisted grade being a senior member.  True you enlist late, but if you've done anything in the program (DCC or something) and completed a bunch of the PD requirements, does that count?  Probably not...it's probably not the demographic they're aiming for.

One of my former cadets was enlisting in USAF after a few years of service in CAP and her recruiter asked for a copy of her ENTIRE cap record. We made a copy and handed it to the cadet for carry to the recruiter. I suspect other services will ask for that as well. If they see that the cadet had not promoted or participated in 3 years, they will not be so opt to give the cadet credit for the service. They may even look at him/her twice for recruitment. Probably not, but they may.

My wife, when she enlisted in the USAF, just had to supply a copy of her Mitchell Award.  They took a photo-copy of it and off she went. (4.5 years ago)

[RiverAux]

I don't see many cadet programs letting a cadet stay in if they are only showing up twice a year.  They would be kicked out a lot quicker than that in most squadrons I know about. 

[Flying Pig]

In the Marines you get PFC (E-2) upon graduation by getting two people to enlist.  LCpl (E-3)is reserved for Platoon Honor Grads.  I would support E-2 with a Mitchell, but not E-3.  I had my Mitchell when I enlisted, and was fortunate enough to find two other suckers!   

With the Corps, even prior service members from other branches at MOST can only hope for E-3. I had a prior service Army SSgt in my Company.  The guy a lways wanted to be a Marine.  He graduated boot camp with Jump Wings , 2 rows of ribbons, a service stripe and bright red and gold PFC chevrons!

Thats just how it is.

[CadetProgramGuy]

Prior Army recruiter talking.....

AR 601-210

a. The following explains who may enlist and when and at what pay grade. An applicant who—
(1) Has no qualifications for advancement to pay grade higher than PV1 may enlist at any time.
(2) Has completed 1 or 2 years of Junior ROTC (JROTC) or a National Defense Cadet Corps (NDCC) Program may
enlist at any time at pay grade PV2.
(3) Has completed 3 or more years of JROTC or a NDCC Program may enlist at any time at pay grade private first
class (PFC).
(4) Has completed 1 year of Senior ROTC (SROTC) may enlist at any time at pay grade PFC.
(5) Has attended any U.S. military service academy or U.S. military academy preparatory school for 179 days or
fewer may enlist at any time at pay grade PV2 or at grade determined by amount of college credit completed,
whichever is greater.
(6) Has successfully completed 24 or more classroom semester hours (36 or more quarter hours) at an accredited
degree granting college or university list in the AIPE or NACES (foreign transcripts must be evaluated according to
para 2–7f and 2–20) may enlist at any time at pay grade PV2.
(7) Has successfully completed 48 or more classroom semester hours (72 or more quarter hours) (without a 4-year
degree) at an accredited degree granting college or university listed in the AIPE (foreign transcripts must be evaluated
according to para 2–7f and 2–20) may enlist at any time at pay grade PFC. Applicants with an associate's degree will
be enlisted at pay grade PFC without regard to the number of semester or quarter hours completed.
(8) Has successfully completed 2 or more academic years of a postsecondary vocational-technical school and has
received a certificate of training attesting to successful completion of the course may enlist at any time at pay grade
PFC. The school must be listed in the AIPE.
(9) Has successfully completed a degree-producing college program of 4 years duration and the college or university
is listed in the AIPE (and has been awarded a bachelor's or higher degree) (foreign degrees and transcripts must be
evaluated according to para 2–7f) may enlist at any time at pay grade specialist (SPC). Advanced promotion is
authorized if college or university provides a letter stating the applicant has met all requirements for a degree, but it
will not be awarded until commencement ceremony.
(10) Has completed all phase II requirements of the Air Force Civil Air Patrol and has been awarded the Billy
Mitchell Award may enlist at any time at pay grade PV2.
14 AR 601–210 • 16 May 2005
(11) Has taken part in the Naval Sea Cadet Corps (NSCC) and has been awarded Quartermaster Award (Certificate)
may enlist at any time at pay grade PV2.
(12) Has been awarded the Boy Scout Eagle certificate as a member of the Boy Scouts of America (Form 58–708)
may enlist at any time at pay grade PV2.
(13) Has earned the Girl Scout Gold award certificate as a member of the Girl Scouts of America may enlists at any
time at pay grade E–2.
(14) Has completed Army pre-Basic Training task list as a member of DEP/DTP may enlist at any time at pay
grade: PV2 or PFC if applicant meets any requirement in paragraph 2–18a or b.
(15) Is qualified under the Army Civilian Acquired Skills Program may enlist at any time at pay grade SPC.
(16) Lacks documentation required for advanced promotion under this paragraph at time of enlistment may submit
supporting documents to the personnel officer within 6 months of enlistment. Documents must be original, certified, or
evaluated as required.

Disabled smileys - MIKE