NYPD Auxiliary Officers killed.

[RogueLeader]

What are we going to do, roll in on a marijuana field and let loose with a little 20 mike-mike? 

Napalm would be a whole lot more effective on a pot field...

Would either fit on a 172, or 182?

[Al Sayre]

If you can put a 50 lb Iron case bomb on a Piper Cub or Aeronca Champ, I'm pretty sure you can hang a couple off of a 172

[RogueLeader]

Cool, now if there was someway to get around that tiny bit of hang up that makes us a Benevolent org.  oh well.

[DNall]

Cool, now if there was someway to get around that tiny bit of hang up that makes us a Benevolent org.  oh well.

Means benevolent to the interests of the US. Rescuing Americans is hardly benevolent to al Quaida. Dropping bombs on bad guys is benevolent to US interests. Not that we should be dropping bombs, but defending your team & crash survivors from the wildlife is certainly benevolent.

[RogueLeader]

Not that we should be dropping bombs,

why not, it'd be a real blast.

[DNall]

You remember your CAP history... before coming into the AAF where we could be controlled & put to good use, CAP dropped sandbags on defense materiel factories to demonstrate vulnerability. I wouldn't recommend changing the reg about dropping things out of CAP planes unless you want to get your tail blown off, and I can't think of anyone or anything we need to be bombing... So back to reality... concealed or open carry IAW state law for average civilians is what we're talking about here, pref concealed.

[RogueLeader]

You remember your CAP history... before coming into the AAF where we could be controlled & put to good use, CAP dropped sandbags on defense materiel factories to demonstrate vulnerability. I wouldn't recommend changing the reg about dropping things out of CAP planes unless you want to get your tail blown off, and I can't think of anyone or anything we need to be bombing... So back to reality... concealed or open carry IAW state law for average civilians is what we're talking about here, pref concealed.

You know, we should be dropping sandbags, or penetrate closed air space to help drill for terrorists attacks, I know that there was some of that done before.

[A.Member]

I wouldn't recommend changing the reg about dropping things out of CAP planes unless you want to get your tail blown off...

C'mon, where's your sense of adventure? 

[DNall]

Stowed right there next to the part that don't want the tail blown off. 

[Pylon]

Discussion about carrying sidearms has been split to a new thread.  Carry on with discussion about the NYPD Auxiliary Police Officers who were killed here.

[SAR-EMT1]

Can we also have a seperate thread for discussing specs to mount napalm canisters to the Skylane for CD work? 

[afgeo4]

Sorry for bringing the thread to its topic, but I attended the funerals of both slain A/POs. My mother was friends with A/PO Marshalik's mother actually.

The NYPD Auxiliary is not allowed to carry firearms because it isn't needed. The Department does not have the resources to properly train all of its auxiliaries (there are thousands) to properly use firearms. It also doesn't have the funds to properly train them in escalation of force. The department is alreday over 30,000, which is why all those current and former officers from departments that are smaller than 1000 officers don't quite get why our Auxiliaries are unarmed.

The job of an NYPD Auxiliary is to be the eyes and ears of the NYPD on the streets and now in the NYC Subways (recent stand-up of the transit division auxiliary). They are equipped with a radio, a night stick (collapsible batons are no longer authorized as there was misuse of such equipment by members in past), handcuffs, and a citation book. The procedures call for the Auxiliary Police Officer (A/PO) to call a crime in upon sight, and not get involved. Officers recieve just over 50 hours of basic training and lots of on the job training, but they are not and never will be real police officers who go through a long and rigorous Academy. The NYPD Auxiliary officers are identified by a 6-point star shield vs. a regular NYPD shield and an Auxiliary tab on their shoulders. Is that an easy way to distinguish a real police officer from an auxiliary one? Nope. And that's the point of the whole thing. These officers are out there to give the bad guys the feeling that there is a lot more NYPD out there in the peak spots at the peak times. They are a force multiplier.

These two specific officers had no chance against the well-armed, well-trained gunman. They were executed. Some say even officers with weapons may not have saved themselves because the incident was so fast and happened at such proximity. The shootout with this character took on more than 50 shots fired by the police department, so perhaps if these officers were armed they would not have been successful in bringing him down anyway. Or perhaps their lack of training would have killed someone else. Someone innocent.

We will honor these officers, miss them, and carry their names in our hearts and in our work.

[ZigZag911]

The NYPD Auxiliary is not allowed to carry firearms because it isn't needed. The Department does not have the resources to properly train all of its auxiliaries (there are thousands) to properly use firearms. It also doesn't have the funds to properly train them in escalation of force.

The job of an N The NYPD Auxiliary officers are identified by a 6-point star shield vs. a regular NYPD shield and an Auxiliary tab on their shoulders. Is that an easy way to distinguish a real police officer from an auxiliary one? Nope. And that's the point of the whole thing. These officers are out there to give the bad guys the feeling that there is a lot more NYPD out there in the peak spots at the peak times. They are a force multiplier.

Not arming them is understandable, but perhaps ballistic vests ought to be made available for those on patrol....precisely because it is so difficult to distinguish them from regular NYPD officers.

[afgeo4]

The NYPD Auxiliary is not allowed to carry firearms because it isn't needed. The Department does not have the resources to properly train all of its auxiliaries (there are thousands) to properly use firearms. It also doesn't have the funds to properly train them in escalation of force.

The job of an N The NYPD Auxiliary officers are identified by a 6-point star shield vs. a regular NYPD shield and an Auxiliary tab on their shoulders. Is that an easy way to distinguish a real police officer from an auxiliary one? Nope. And that's the point of the whole thing. These officers are out there to give the bad guys the feeling that there is a lot more NYPD out there in the peak spots at the peak times. They are a force multiplier.

Not arming them is understandable, but perhaps ballistic vests ought to be made available for those on patrol....precisely because it is so difficult to distinguish them from regular NYPD officers.

Absolutely! Moreover... ballistic vests equal to the ones the regular officers wear. One of the Auxiliary officers involved was actually wearing a ballistic vest, but it was one he had purchased himself and it was of a lower quality. Only 1 of 7 or 8 bullets was stopped.

[SAR-EMT1]

You mean to say they were not wearing Vests?!
WHAT THE **** !
I consider it a CRIMINAL act for ANY LE concern -to include private security- to NOT REQUIRE Officers - AND AUX- to wear a vest
JMHO

[afgeo4]

Auxiliary officers are not issued ballistic protection because according to NYPD regulations they are restricted from engaging suspects in any way. They are only allowed to make the radio call to dispatch to report the situation.
Now... why wasn't that memo distributed to the guy who shot them? I demand an investigation!

[legalboxers]

actually we are issued vests now since the shooting. But the new classes coming in, are getting loaner vests.

[afgeo4]

actually we are issued vests now since the shooting. But the new classes coming in, are getting loaner vests.

Thanks legal, but the post was from over 4 years ago. I know you're issued vests now. I know you're also driving white vehicles now that look just like regular NYPD RMPs and Highway Patrol units actually drive regular RMPs and bikes with small auxiliary stickers on them. Hey, if you want to make yourself a target, be my guest. A perp would be less likely to shoot a Civilian Affairs cop than an Auxiliary cop because of the uniforms you know.