Would this be a "nuclear-power nap"?

[Panache]

Not CAP-related per se (unless we have a Nuclear Missile Specialty Track I'm unaware of) but news about our parent service....

Nuclear missile officers twice caught napping with blast door left open to underground bunker

[AlphaSigOU]

Steely-eyed CAP missileer! 

[Private Investigator]

He should be doing about 1,000,000 push ups after I take my foot out of his ---!   

[Brad]

Steely-eyed CAP missileer! 

A former Cadet from my Wing is now a 2dLt missileer. I hope this wasn't him!

[raivo]

People did things they weren't supposed to, people were caught and disciplined. The system works.

The media is making this out to be much worse than it is, thanks to somebody who's decided the AP needs to know about everything happening in the nuclear world.

[jimmydeanno]

Isn't one of our CT members a Space and Missiles Officer there?  LGM30GMCC?

[PHall]

Not CAP-related per se (unless we have a Nuclear Missile Specialty Track I'm unaware of) but news about our parent service....

Nuclear missile officers twice caught napping with blast door left open to underground bunker

Blast door was left open. Big whoop. It only opens to the elevator. That has an armed guard at the other end...

Mountain out of a molehole if you ask me.

[NCRblues]

Not CAP-related per se (unless we have a Nuclear Missile Specialty Track I'm unaware of) but news about our parent service....

Nuclear missile officers twice caught napping with blast door left open to underground bunker

Blast door was left open. Big whoop. It only opens to the elevator. That has an armed guard at the other end...

Mountain out of a molehole if you ask me.

Actually it could turn into a big deal.

A person not authorized could enter into the no lone zone. A distracted missle commander could allow any number of possibilities to occur that could result in the exposure of UCNI or CCNI or damage to one of the triad legs.

Very serious stuff...

[PHall]

Not CAP-related per se (unless we have a Nuclear Missile Specialty Track I'm unaware of) but news about our parent service....

Nuclear missile officers twice caught napping with blast door left open to underground bunker

Blast door was left open. Big whoop. It only opens to the elevator. That has an armed guard at the other end...

Mountain out of a molehole if you ask me.

Actually it could turn into a big deal.

A person not authorized could enter into the no lone zone. A distracted missle commander could allow any number of possibilities to occur that could result in the exposure of UCNI or CCNI or damage to one of the triad legs.

Very serious stuff...

I flew on Looking Glass for six years, I think I know way more about this then you do.

Like I said, the door opens to the elevator to the top side. Top of the elevator is "guarded" by the facility manager.
Nobody gets into the elevator unless the crew in the capsule clears them. The elevator is considered a "no lone zone".

Like I said, mountain from a molehill.

Did they violate procedures, yes. And the crew was decertified and had to go through recertification before they could resume crew duties.
They also got to explain to the Wing Commander why it was a "good" idea to nap with the door open.

[AlphaSigOU]

Did they violate procedures, yes. And the crew was decertified and had to go through recertification before they could resume crew duties.
They also got to explain to the Wing Commander why it was a "good" idea to nap with the door open.

It definitely was a one-way conversation standing tall in front of the Old Man...

[Private Investigator]

Did they violate procedures, yes. And the crew was decertified and had to go through recertification before they could resume crew duties.
They also got to explain to the Wing Commander why it was a "good" idea to nap with the door open.

It definitely was a one-way conversation standing tall in front of the Old Man...

Exactly and the answer is "YES SIR!"   

[PHall]

Did they violate procedures, yes. And the crew was decertified and had to go through recertification before they could resume crew duties.
They also got to explain to the Wing Commander why it was a "good" idea to nap with the door open.

It definitely was a one-way conversation standing tall in front of the Old Man...

Exactly and the answer is "YES SIR!"   

No, they would have to explain their actions since HE was the one certifying them to perform nuclear weapon duties.

We're talking Personnel Reliability Program stuff here.

He probably still ripped them a new one and that's after the Squadron Commander and Ops Officer got their pieces already.

Let's just say their next OPR won't be their best.

[TexasCadet]

The newspaper in my area, in their report, had the number of Minuteman missles, their location, and some of the security forces guarding the missles. Real smart.

[PHall]

The newspaper in my area, in their report, had the number of Minuteman missles, their location, and some of the security forces guarding the missles. Real smart.

They've been there for 40 years now. Not exactly a secret any more. Especially sine we had to disclose the location of all of the missile silos as part of the START treaty. (And the Soviets had to disclose the location of all of theirs to us.)

[TexasCadet]

I never knew that. I guess you learn something new everyday. By the way, where are the Russian missles?

[PHall]

I never knew that. I guess you learn something new everyday. By the way, where are the Russian missles?

In Russia, mostly...

[RogueLeader]

They tried putting a few in Cuba, but that didn't work too well for the Ruskies. Of course that led to the Cuban Missile Crisis.

[a2capt]

..and with events since about 1991 or so, they might be missing a few small ones. But what's a few, when they have many more, right?

[Slim]

The newspaper in my area, in their report, had the number of Minuteman missles, their location, and some of the security forces guarding the missles. Real smart.

They've been there for 40 years now. Not exactly a secret any more. Especially sine we had to disclose the location of all of the missile silos as part of the START treaty. (And the Soviets had to disclose the location of all of theirs to us.)

For that matter, anyone with Google Maps (in satellite view) and a good idea of that to look for can find every one of the MAFs/LFs.  A little google-fu will turn up a couple of websites that list all of the sites by lat/long.

[SarDragon]

Don't even need to do that. Go to Google Community, and there are at least 2 KMZ files with everything already loaded in. Just d/l, and open.

[Private Investigator]

I never knew that. I guess you learn something new everyday. By the way, where are the Russian missles?

In Russia, mostly...

ROFL   :clap:

[raivo]

The likelihood that something could have gone wrong - even if it didn't - isn't usually taken into consideration in these situations. There are differing "levels" of errors that missileers can get dinged for - violating Weapon System Safety Rules (which is what happened in this case) is about as severe as you can realistically get, even more so if the violation was intentional.

As has been pointed out, the odds of something actually happening due to someone breaking those rules are extremely low, due to the numerous safeguards built into the system. There's a thread elsewhere on this forum about the B-52 crash at Fairchild back in the '90s, as a result of the aircraft commander routinely ignoring the rules - not to downplay airplane crashes, but Col. Holland "only" destroyed a multi-million-dollar aircraft and killed four people. The worst-case consequence for someone violating rules regarding nuclear weapons is much, much, much, MUCH worse than that - and that's why those crewmembers are getting punished, regardless of how unlikely the consequences for their actions were.

That said, whoever decided that in-house disciplinary actions would be good gossip for the Associated Press to run with, needs some gentle wall-to-wall mentoring.

[sardak]

Story today on the results of a USAF directed RAND Corporation study of "attitudes among the men and women inside the ICBM force."

Mike

[RRLE]

the B-52 crash at Fairchild back in the '90s, as a result of the aircraft commander routinely ignoring the rules

Darker Shades of Blue: A Case Study Of Failed Leadership

Wikipedia: 1994 Fairchild Air Force Base B-52 crash

YouTube: 1994 Crash of a B-52 at Fairchild Air Force Base

[SarDragon]

This is about the forty-'leventh time this as been posted.

[RRLE]

I thought I'd save some newer members the effort to search for it.

[PHall]

I thought I'd save some newer members the effort to search for it.

Why?

[a2capt]

Zee.

[SarDragon]

[Panache]

Zee.

Or, in Her Majesty's English, Zed.

[AlphaSigOU]

Can't stop the lock clock...