New Crop of Majors Coming?

[EMT-83]

It's been 3 years since the first OBC cohort wrapped up, followed by a lot of promotions to Captain. The old ECI-13 being the bottleneck.

As those Captains are now approaching TIG, can we expect a similar spike in promotion to Major? I was in the first cohort, and was recently promoted. Just wondering how many stuck with the program and completed Level 3.

[JoeTomasone]

Same here.  First group through OBC and just got my leaves. 

Now I have four years to figure out a Senior rating in Comms. 

[Майор Хаткевич]

I'm exactly three years behind all of you.

[Devil Doc]

I got another 3 years, before I even Qualify for the Oak Leaf, no Worries. I will be approaching over the hill by then.

[EMT-83]

^ Normal progression from Second Lieutenant to Major is 5½ years, unless you qualify for a special promotion.

[Devil Doc]

WOW, nevermind, my Math was Wrong. LOL. Ok So i will be eligible in August 2018!!

[Rick-DEL]

Don't feel bad there Devil Doc, I'm with ya. At a perfect rate, and all things met, I am looking at the following;

1st Lt - Feb 2013
Capt - Aug 2014
Major - Aug 2017

Yikes

[Walkman]

^ Normal progression from Second Lieutenant to Major is 5½ years, unless you qualify for a special promotion.

Or if you're a dork like myself that kept too many irons in the fire, you could go from Butterbar to railroad tracks in the same amount of time. 

I've got 2 more years TIG plus CLC to finish for the oak leaves.

[Al Sayre]

I anticipate a major influx...

[RogueLeader]

I was at the tail end of ECI 13.  Made Major 1 Nov 12.   

[Devil Doc]

It is kinda funny, i seen a SM that was a Cadet. He is Already a Captain, and way younger than me.
When i first saw him, i thaught that he was a confused cadet, untill he started doing the mission brief. I was like DOH!!

[MSG Mac]

2LT Apr 1974
1LT Apr 1978
CPT Sep 1983
MAJ Sep 1986
LTC Oct 1990
COL Waiting for BOG or CSAG to change CAPR 35-5

[Майор Хаткевич]

It is kinda funny, i seen a SM that was a Cadet. He is Already a Captain, and way younger than me.
When i first saw him, i thaught that he was a confused cadet, untill he started doing the mission brief. I was like DOH!!

Your not that much older than that Capt...

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

As stated in another thread, I became eligible in June, 2012, submitted paperwork through my then-commander in August and still haven't heard anything.

I've asked my new commander but he hasn't seemed to be able to find out much either; I don't know if he's asked at Wing but he's asked at Group.

I really don't want to bug him overmuch for fear of sounding like I'm just in it for the bling.

[AlphaSigOU]

First Lieutenant (reinstated after membership break) - January 23, 2006[/font]
Captain - July 16, 2007[/font]
Major - July 6, 2010[/font]
Lt Colonel - eligible after 1 July 2014 (if PD requirements don't change between now and then...)[/font]

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

Second Lieutenant - March 1994
First Lieutenant - July 1995
Captain - February 1997 (I think)
* break in service, 1999-2002, spent mostly with CGAUX * (personal reasons)
Captain - reinstated 2003
*break in service, 2006-2007, again with CGAUX * (moved)
Captain - reinstated 2009

Member ribbon - March 1994
Davis - 30 Nov 1995
Loening - 12 Jul 2004
CommComm - Feb 2006
Yeager - 1997

Safety - Technician Rating, 5 Jan 2005
Administration - Master Rating, 30 Mar 2006

Became eligible for Major July 2012

[ColonelJack]

Second Lieutenant - Nov 1981
First Lieutenant - Nov 1982
Captain - July 1984
Major - August 1987
Lieutenant Colonel - October 1991
Lt Col (reinstated after membership break) - Aug 2009
Colonel - I'm not going to live that long


Membership - Nov 1981
Leadership (Davis) - July 1982
Loening - Nov 1984
Garber - Mar 1987
Wilson - Nov 1991
Where do I go from here?

Jack

[Devil Doc]

Joined AUG 25th 2012

POD Training SEPT 2012
Chuck Yeager SEPT 2012
ACUT SEPT 2012
SLS NOV 2012



Emergency Services Track NOV 2012( Eligible for Leadership Ribbon in NOV 2013)

GT3 DEC 2012, MS JAN 2013

2d Lt JAN 24th 2013

Not too bad for 6 months of work.

[GroundHawg]

Im in SLS now and "should" get my Captain bars in March. Plan on starting SOS in Oct or Nov.

[Stonewall]

FO -     Dec 1992
TFO -    Jun 1993
2d Lt -  Jul 1993
1st Lt - Jul 1994
Capt -  Feb 1996
Maj -    Feb 1999
Lt Col - Sep 2003

[cap235629]

I will pin on Major in June. Looking forward to it for some strange reason....

[Майор Хаткевич]

I will pin on Major in June. Looking forward to it for some strange reason....

It's an accomplishment, and one that probably only 1/3 or 1/4 of all SMs get to. If not less.

[cap235629]

^^^^^^^^^^^^
I want to become a Lt Col just for the honor of being called "Colonel". Service should mean more than GREAT fried chicken......

[SarDragon]

OK, let's see if I can piece this together. Everything before 1987, except the C/WO, is a SWAG.

C/WO - 1968
WO - 1970
2nd Lt - 1971
1sLt - 1972
Inactive period - 1973-1977, record went into the black hole
2nd Lt - 1977
1st Lt - 1978
Lapsed membership - 1981-1987
2nd Lt - Apr 1987
1st Lt - Nov 1988
Capt - May 1989
Inactive period - 1989-1999
Major - Oct 2003
Lt Col - likely never

[Brad]

I should have TIG for Major by Oct 2014. Currently in CLC online with WYWG and I already have my Senior rating in Comms and one of two conferences under my belt.

[wuzafuzz]

Got my oak leaves back in October. Haven't worn them yet, but I have them. 

[JeffDG]

^^^^^^^^^^^^
I want to become a Lt Col just for the honor of being called "Colonel". Service should mean more than GREAT fried chicken......

See, for me, since I got Capt last month, it's so I get the funny looks at how I pronounce "leftenant" when I introduce myself.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

^^^^^^^^^^^^
I want to become a Lt Col just for the honor of being called "Colonel". Service should mean more than GREAT fried chicken......

See, for me, since I got Capt last month, it's so I get the funny looks at how I pronounce "leftenant" when I introduce myself.

I use the pronunciation sometimes too, even though I'm a Captain-in-Perpetuity ...too much CBC and too many viewings of The Battle of Britain.

Since I speak German, I sometimes use "Herr Leutnant" or "Herr Oberleutnant."

If we used the RAF/Commonwealth ranking system, you and I could call ourselves "Flight Lieutenant" and still use the "lef-tenant."

[AlphaSigOU]

Jawohl, Herr Hauptmann! (Oder Herr Rittmeister...) 

[caphornbuckle]

For anyone going for Lieutenant Colonel:  It seems like a long way away but it comes a lot faster than you think!

[RogueLeader]

I got 3 years 9 months time in grade for Lt Col left. I already have my level 4 done.

[Майор Хаткевич]

6 years 10 months out!

[a2capt]

3 Years and 8 Months in!

[ColonelJack]

For anyone going for Lieutenant Colonel:  It seems like a long way away but it comes a lot faster than you think!

True that ... and may I add ... if you thought it was a long way away to get Lieutenant Colonel, imagine the endless horizons you'll face once you get it!  In other words, unless you grease for Wing King, you've gone as far as you're gonna go on the promotion trail, old timer.

Jack

[ColonelJack]

^^^^^^^^^^^^
I want to become a Lt Col just for the honor of being called "Colonel". Service should mean more than GREAT fried chicken......

See, for me, since I got Capt last month, it's so I get the funny looks at how I pronounce "leftenant" when I introduce myself.

I use the pronunciation sometimes too, even though I'm a Captain-in-Perpetuity ...too much CBC and too many viewings of The Battle of Britain.

Since I speak German, I sometimes use "Herr Leutnant" or "Herr Oberleutnant."

If we used the RAF/Commonwealth ranking system, you and I could call ourselves "Flight Lieutenant" and still use the "lef-tenant."

So that makes me "Herr Oberstleutnant"!!  I like it.

As for the RAF system, I couldn't wrap my mind around "Wing Commander" since, in reality, I am not one.  (I always wondered, with the Squadron Leader and Wing Commander ranks, what do those officers do if they aren't serving as a squadron leader or wing commander?)

Jack

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

As for the RAF system, I couldn't wrap my mind around "Wing Commander" since, in reality, I am not one.  (I always wondered, with the Squadron Leader and Wing Commander ranks, what do those officers do if they aren't serving as a squadron leader or wing commander?)

Jack

Actually, since the end of WWII, those ranks aren't really accurate anyway.

Flying squadrons are usually commanded by Wing Commanders, and Flights are commanded by Squadron Leaders.  Virtually any officer aircrew not still undergoing training is a Flight Lieutenant or above.

Pilot Officers are usually freshly-minted officer graduates who will put on Flying Officer within a year or so, and then put on Flight Lieutenant after they're operationally-qualified.

[Eclipse]

Wrong thread.

[ol'fido]

For anyone going for Lieutenant Colonel:  It seems like a long way away but it comes a lot faster than you think!

True that ... and may I add ... if you thought it was a long way away to get Lieutenant Colonel, imagine the endless horizons you'll face once you get it!  In other words, unless you grease for Wing King, you've gone as far as you're gonna go on the promotion trail, old timer.

Jack

Although it doesn't make a lot of difference "pension" wise. I was thinking it might be a nice  gesture to give brevet promotions to long service members. I would suggest promoting LtCols to Col if they retire from CAP with 20 yrs TIG. IF they became active again, they would revert to LtCol.  I would also like to see active LtCols promoted to Col when they become 50 year members. There is at least one person like that here in IL who I know. I don't think we would have large numbers of non Wing CC Cols running around with those parameters,but the ones we do would IMHO really deserve it.

[Private Investigator]

I always get a good laugh at people quoting they will be a Major in 2015 or Lt Col by 2020. People take for granted the rank in CAP. That is why we have incompetent officers.

Anyways a friend of mine is a 50+ year member and his TIG as Lt Col is 1968.

[caphornbuckle]

I always get a good laugh at people quoting they will be a Major in 2015 or Lt Col by 2020. People take for granted the rank in CAP. That is why we have incompetent officers.

I think it would be safe to say that these people have set a goal for themselves and if everything goes according to plan, this is the time frame that they would qualify for the promotions indicated.  It is not because of incompetence, it is because they set their standards high.

In all honesty, I blame those who promote members without digging deep into the candidate's CAP service.  I don't think anyone should be promoted who doesn't truly earn it regardless of grade.  That is TIG, PD, AND duty performance.

[SARDOC]

I recently made my Captain but I've already completed Level IV so I'm just waiting for TIG for Lieutenant Colonel.  The OBC program has definitely opened up the bottle neck that previously existed under the ECI 13 program.

As far as incompetent officers, they exist in every organization, CAP is no exception.  As most know the Rank Process had nothing to do with promoting competent people it's just a mere measure of your participation in the CAP Professional Development Program.  Rank doesn't have Authority although when it comes to Customs and Courtesies we treat those with a Senior Grade as though they did have that authority.

I'd be completing my level V this year if the National Staff College didn't have the Arbitrary requirement of being a Major or CMSgt to attend.

I would also like to see changes to the Colonel Promotion Policy.  If you are Lieutenant Colonel and have position of significant authority in our organization other than Wing Commander such as region or National Staff with a significant contribution to Civil Air Patrol or with 30 Plus years of service...a Special Appointment should be entertained for appropriate recognition.

We as a volunteer organization don't pay our people so the only way to recognize the contributions of our members is through promotions and awards, but it doesn't seem like we do a good job of recognizing our members.

[Private Investigator]

Goals is one thing. But the 1st Lt who wants to go to RSC since he finished CLC last month and SLS six months ago but still has no clue on what he suppose to do as the Unit Communications Officer.

GOBN is partly to blame. You have somebody who attends meetings every week, brings donuts and helps out. So as a GOB you promote them.

Duty performance should be #1, then if they got TIG and PD they promote. But lots of people see a checklist and they just want to "X" the box and move on. Just because they "X" the boxes, does not make them qualified.

[Private Investigator]

As far as incompetent officers, they exist in every organization, CAP is no exception. 

Lets not get started on little league or the boy scouts. But for a safety brief I do have to mention, four scoutmasters dead and two others injured putting up a tent? ORM lesson. In L.L. three years in a row on opening day we had a serious injury requiring paramedics. When I was on the board and safety was #1 we had zero incidents. My first year off the board back to opening day paramedic response.

But in CAP a senior member, who has rank, should be able to mentor a new member to get to the spot they are at. Now if you want to hang out with pilots just be a SMWOG. I think that is where the USCG Aux is one up on us. In CAP the majority, not everyone, wants rank bling bling, JMHO ... 

[Майор Хаткевич]

I plan on making Major and yes LtCol one day if I stick with the program. Don't really care much in terms of "I'm top dog" or similar, but it is the program. Part of it is probably having been a cadet, but the other part is the fact that the courses leading to that are beneficial, so why not?

[FARRIER]

My understanding, in the USAF Reserves, on the flight crew side, navigators can be slotted up to LTC? You can be promoted to MAJ before even being made a Flight Commander. This is apples and oranges in regards to requirements between CAP and the USAF, but there is a weak correlation between the two. This can fit with the other thread too. 

[PHall]

My understanding, in the USAF Reserves, on the flight crew side, navigators can be slotted up to LTC? You can be promoted to MAJ before even being made a Flight Commander. This is apples and oranges in regards to requirements between CAP and the USAF, but there is a weak correlation between the two. This can fit with the other thread too. 

Navigators are in the same boat as pilots.  If you just want to fly, you'll top out at Major.
If you take one of the leadership positions, you can make Lt Col, if that position is a Lt Col position. Flight Commanders are usually Majors.
The Lt Col positions in most flying squadrons are Squadron Commander, Operations Officer, Chief of Stan-Eval, Chief Pilot and Chief Navigator.

[Maj Alfred]

I get my Golden Oaks November 18, 2014... or atleast I will have the TIG for it they get faded in 2018

[Eeyore]

I'd be completing my level V this year if the National Staff College didn't have the Arbitrary requirement of being a Major or CMSgt to attend.

I'm in the same boat, a Capt with Level IV, just waiting for my TIG for LtCol. IMHO, the requirement of being a Major should be waiverable. If you have a Capt that has completed Level IV, they are obviously competent enough to play with the Majors at NSC.