Processing time on Lvl III

[Eclipse]

Yes, we've had several.  We held them and held them and finally gave them out ourselves.

That's just wrong, and a case where cages should be rattled at the Wing, then, and if they don't want to force the issue, provide someone to
present the award.

Mitchell is the highest a lot of cadets ever get, and it does represent a fair amount of effort and engagement.

[Grumpy]

I agree 150%.  Like I say, there are going to be some changes coming up.  I hope they're for the best.

[a2capt]

Yup, and we've had others present them, too. But there are times when after the things have been sitting in the closet and they are now going on 2 and 3 pips.. that you just gotta do what you gotta do. When your awards banquet comes around and it's gone on that long, and they are even on the invitation list and they still don't show.. what do you do?

[bosshawk]

An interesting group of posts about awards.  I deliberately had my levels three, four and five mailed to me, as I had an issue with the Wing CC.  Then, I was awarded an ESA and the Wing CC grabbed it and held it for 18 months: claimed that he was waiting to see me to award it.  The Region CC refused to help.  After I left CAP, I elevated the issue to the National Commander.  She demanded the award from the Wing CC, handed it to the Region CC and ordered him to mail it to me.  He did and I got my award.  It is resting comfortably in my bottom drawer, along with my Levels III, IV and V certificates.

I am happily out of CAP, mostly due to crap like what I described above.

[Phil Hirons, Jr.]

I think a lot of this depends on the Professional Development staff at group and higher. Training and the awards that follow are the job. Why hold an SLS, CLC, etc if your not going to make sure the graduates get the recognition that goes with it. The Senior Program Award certificates get mailed to PD. They need to follow up on getting them presented.

[jeders]

I will say that in TXWG, they are usually pretty good about getting awards and certs. out to people and not holding onto them for a long time. Hopefully this will continue with our new commander.

And yes, everything was done electronically, no trees were harmed in the submission of this award.

[Grumpy]

bosshawk, I'm sorry to say that I have to agree with you on this.  It's still going on and one individual has such a hatred for our unit that it's down right ugly.  Spelled with a capital "UG".

[SARDOC]

I finished my Level III in April and it posted in eServices in about a week.

[arajca]

Something I've seen add to processing time is commanders who have an awards committee review EVERY award that comes through them. Committee meets once a month or quarter (some still haven't figured out this whole electronic process thingamagigy yet) to review every CAPF 2A, 24, and 120 that is sent up the chain. If they get it 5 minutes after the meeting, it sits until the next meeting.
Then up to group, wing, and region for repeat performances.

For higher level awards (ESA, DSA, and up), this type of review, if done promptly is appropriate. For "do this, get that" awards, it's not appropriate. What are they going to do, turn down the Level II, III, etc award even though all the requirements have been met?

[a2capt]

The way the winds of politics play, I wouldn't put it past some people to just sit on applications because of the source. When something is denied, they should say why, right away. But if they play never got it, then they have not to worry about it at all.

[jimmydeanno]

I've seen commanders sit on PD paperwork because they didn't want their subordinate passing themin the PD program.  Kind of petty and pathetic if you ask me, but crap like that does happen.

[bosshawk]

Just to expand on my situation: My Level Two sat on the Wing PD Officers desk almost a year: he was waiting for me to come to Wing to award it to me.  In my 18 yrs in CAP, I went to Wing Hqs twice(both times for inspections when I was the CDO).  I finally had a friend on the Wing Staff mail it to me.  Learned on that one and had the same friend intercept the next three and mail them to me.  I got all of those in good times and I am not sure that the PDO or the Wing CC ever knew that I had gotten them.  When you live 250 miles from Wing Hq, you don't tend to go there very often, especially for an award.

In my case, it was a plain case of a Wing CC who had it in for me, even though I had run one of the Wing's most successful programs for a long time.  He didn't even see the 120 for my ESA when it went to Region.  Of course, I wasn't a cadet and he only paid attention to cadet things.

[PA Guy]

Of course, I wasn't a cadet and he only paid attention to cadet things.

I think there are a fair number of CP folks in CAWG that would argue just the opposite.  As to your, Grumpy's and others  general sentiment on this topic I agree..

[Grumpy]

I'm trying to be polite here.  I have left out the gory details.  I tend to tell it like it is and that would not be nice.

[MSG Mac]

One holdup is several respondents have indicated they are sending the F24's through Group and there is no requirement or place on the form for a Group Commander, unless you are a member of the Group (not TDY)

[Grumpy]

One holdup is several respondents have indicated they are sending the F24's through Group and there is no requirement or place on the form for a Group Commander, unless you are a member of the Group (not TDY)

Or have a Group/CC that is a micro manager and has put down the edict that EVERYTHING goes through him.

[Eclipse]

Or have a Group/CC that is a micro manager and has put down the edict that EVERYTHING goes through him.

Some of that is shielding both sides from each other, which is the Group's job.

I didn't want to see 24's, but I did want everything else passing over my desk on the way to Wing, since I wanted to make sure
things were correct and solid before they went up to prevent delays.  A day or two with me might prevent a month long
"wrong, send it back" circle of love.

It is somewhat shocking what some CC's would send up as "complete"...

There were / are more than a couple people in my wing who insisted on using the US Mail or fax  for documents even though they
were told in short sentences with pro words that this almost guaranteed a delay or loss, with some CC's in the wing, myself included,
refusing to even consider hardcopy documents.

My favorites were when people sent things "signature required" to me or wing, requiring that I physically go to the USPO to
retrieve a 2A or CAPDL app that they had spent $5 to insure, return receipt, etc., only to find they hadn't signed it, etc.

[arajca]

One holdup is several respondents have indicated they are sending the F24's through Group and there is no requirement or place on the form for a Group Commander, unless you are a member of the Group (not TDY)

Or have a Group/CC that is a micro manager and has put down the edict that EVERYTHING goes through him.

Or have a wing/cc that says everything follows the chain and will send the 24s back to group of approval before approving them.

[wuzafuzz]

My Level III papers were submitted electronically to wing on 6/27.     It'll be interesting to see how long it takes.

[Thrashed]

My L3 just posted to eServices! It's about time.