White aviator shirt

[vento]

39-1 is not very clear with the wear of the white aviator shirt by senior members. Is a senior member without grade allowed to wear the white aviator shirt? If so, since the grey epaulet for SM without grade doesn't exist, what insigna should be worn with the white shirt?

Thanks!

[Eclipse]

Yes, SMWOG are authorized to wear it - until you make 2d Lt. you only wear the gray name tag, and any badges and ribbons
you may have earned.

No epaulet sleeves.

[jimmydeanno]

39-1 is not very clear with the wear of the white aviator shirt by senior members. Is a senior member without grade allowed to wear the white aviator shirt? If so, since the grey epaulet for SM without grade doesn't exist, what insigna should be worn with the white shirt?

Thanks!

Yes, the white aviator shirt can be worn by senior members.  In place of the grey epaulet sleeve you would wear two "CAP" cutouts on your collar to represent your grade.

[notaNCO forever]

 SMWOG usually wear the CAP cutouts on the collar of the aviator shirt.

[JoeTomasone]

In place of the grey epaulet sleeve you would wear two "CAP" cutouts on your collar to represent your grade.

SMWOG usually wear the CAP cutouts on the collar of the aviator shirt.

Where is the basis for that in CAPM 39-1?  I agree with Eclipse; SMWOG merely wears no grade insignia.

[LtCol057]

SMWOG wears the CAP cutouts on both sides of the collar for the USAF lt blue shirt. Doesn't say anything about wearing the cutouts on the white aviator shirt.

[Rob Sherlin]

  On the CSU, the cut outs are worn on the jacket lapel if you opt to wear it, but I haven't seen anything about having them on the white aviator shirt.

[notaNCO forever]

 I just looked it doesn't seem to specify either way for SMWOG. In my opinion it would make sense to wear them if they are worn on the blues, but since the regs don't say either way I would say I was wrong and you don't wear them. Must of been an oversight when they published the 39-1.

[jimmydeanno]

SMWOG wears the CAP cutouts on both sides of the collar for the USAF lt blue shirt. Doesn't say anything about wearing the cutouts on the white aviator shirt.

Well, I guess that would imply that they would wear the grey blank epaulets then, wouldn't it.  It says "grey epaulets with embroidered grade insignia."  Since the insignia for SMWOG is the "CAP" device...

[notaNCO forever]

 I think the grey slides are meant for CAP NCOs not for SMWOG.

[JoeTomasone]

I think the grey slides are meant for CAP NCOs not for SMWOG.

Presumably; at Vanguard they are listed specifically as "ENLISTED".

[LtCol057]

It's not like you're gonna be mistaken for RM wearing the white & gray without grade insignia.  The gray nameplate says you're in CAP.

[notaNCO forever]

It's not like you're gonna be mistaken for RM wearing the white & gray without grade insignia.  The gray nameplate says you're in CAP.

The same argument could be made about the blues, so you would think they would choose to do the same thing for both uniforms.

[Rob Sherlin]

By the way, in case anyones interested, I found these shirts for around $16 at www.garffshirts.com. I thought it was a pretty good deal compaired to the $22 some others are charging, and they're the same brand and everything.

[DNall]

FYI, if you can wait for the Army white shirt that's supposed to be coming out within the next couple months, you should go with that. It's the same as the blues shirt, but white (obviously). I believe that's been recommended as part of the ongoing update. If you can't wait, go with something cheap & be prepared to buy the Army one when you need to get a new one in a year or two.

[Rob Sherlin]

  They're coming out with a new shirt and changing it again? I wonder how clear they're going to be on the wear of this one. I think they should have been a little more thorough on the explaination of what to where on the one that is current. It took me a while to find out about the whole epaulet thing (for both the grey and the blue) from postings here.
  I was confused because I was looking at the uniform package deals at the Hock, and in the spot for you to choose epaulets, it gives you the choice (no grade). So, I thought it would be the same for wear with the blue pants, only blue instead of grey, but I was only able to find the blue ones for 2d.Lt. and up. Then someone pointed me to look under regular AF at Vanguard. They had lower ranks, but it seemed only for SGT levels.
  Anyway, after a lot of confusion, I was told that they originaly made the plain greys for members below Officer rank to pin the metal ranks on, but no one wears them.

[JoeTomasone]

I think the grey slides are meant for CAP NCOs not for SMWOG.

Presumably; at Vanguard they are listed specifically as "ENLISTED".

Sent the Q into the Knowledgebase, they replied (essentially) that this epaulet is worn by a SMWOG. 

[vento]

Thanks to all for the help with clarifications. 
I guess the best bet is no epaulet sleeves for SMWOG.

[DNall]

I think the grey slides are meant for CAP NCOs not for SMWOG.

Presumably; at Vanguard they are listed specifically as "ENLISTED".

Sent the Q into the Knowledgebase, they replied (essentially) that this epaulet is worn by a SMWOG. 

That would be wrong. Though I like that answer, it is not what it specified in regs.

Everyone else, I sympathize with your pain on the poor nature of our current reg and the way that's translated by our couple retailers. I've been assured those issues are being addressed by our uniform cmte & you should see some progress at the next NB meeting. I'm sorry CAP has been screwed up in the past. We can't change that. We can only work to make it right in the future.

[O-Rex]

It's not like you're gonna be mistaken for RM wearing the white & gray without grade insignia.  The gray nameplate says you're in CAP.

Given the reactions to the new Army uniform, I thin the RM is more concerned with being mistaken for a CAP member....

I'd love to get the Army white shirts when they come out: the USAF epaulets don't quite fit on the standard Aviator Shirt.

I just hope the permanent "fore & aft" military creases they are talking about can be ironed out.

I'm looking to uniform dealers like Marlow White or Supertrooper to be the first to offer them.