Lightweight blues jacket - AF logo allowed?

[xray328]

Hey guys, I need to pickup a couple lightweight blues jackets.  Most of the ones Im seeing now has the AF symbol on the breast pocket.  Are these authorized for us to wear?

[Garibaldi]

No.

[xray328]

Looks like it's standard issue?  So we can't purchase a new lightweight coat? Or is there a source out there for one without the logo?  Vanguard doesn't sell one from what I can find.

[AlphaSigOU]

The embroidering of the 'Air Force Tan-gram' is optional and at the member's expense; the specifications on how it's to be done (thread color, count and location) is also there. CAP members may not wear jackets with it. Older revisions of AFI 36-2903 allowed wear of the lightweight jacket with civilian clothing as long as grade insignia was not worn and the AF symbol was not embroidered; it no longer is allowed.

CAPM 39-1 allows the embroidering of the CAP seal in the same location, using the same specifications on thread color, count and location. Same rules as Ma Blue above.

To remove all FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt), below are excerpts of Ma Blue and CAP's uniform manual.

Quoth AFI 36-2903 (Including Change 4, 28MAY2015):

6.1.5.  Lightweight Blue Jacket. Can only be worn with the service uniform. Also can be worn over the pullover and cardigan sweaters. Females may wear the male version of the lightweight blue jacket.  Blue long or short-sleeved blouses, if not tucked-in, cannot be visible around the bottom of the male or female version of the lightweight blue jacket.

6.1.5.1.  The lightweight blue jacket will be partially lined, water repellant and is authorized for inside and outside.  It has a zipper front, two slanted pockets, knitted cuffs and waistband.  The jacket will be waist length with the zipper worn no lower than halfway between the collar and the waistband.  The Air Force symbol may be embroidered on the jacket at the Airman's expense(http://www.trademark.af.mil/symbol/embroidery/index.asp).  The jacket may be worn with or without an insulated liner.  If worn, the insulated liner will not be visible.

6.1.5.1.1.  General Officer Lightweight Blue Jacket.  The General Officer lightweight blue jacket  mirrors the Air Force lightweight jacket in design with the following exceptions:  an elasticized crew-style collar, slash-style pockets with a snap down flap, and a tab with snap at the elasticized waistband.   It is also authorized for inside and outside wear.

6.1.5.1.1.1.  Officer Rank Insignia.  Officers will center regular size rank insignia ⅝ inch from end of the epaulet and parallel with the sleeve seam, when applicable.

6.1.5.1.1.1.1.  General Officers will wear 1-inch stars point-to-center; ¾ inch stars are optional, if unable to wear the 1-inch stars.

6.1.5.1.1.1.2.  Generals will evenly space, all four stars between the button securing the epaulet and the sleeve seam.

6.1.5.1.1.1.3.  Lieutenant Generals will place one star on the center point of the epaulet and center the two remaining stars between the first star and the button securing the epaulet and the sleeve seam.

6.1.5.1.1.1.4.  Major Generals will evenly space their stars between the center point of the epaulet and the button securing the epaulet and the sleeve seam.

6.1.5.1.1.1.5.  Brigadier Generals will center their star between the button securing the epaulet and the sleeve seam.

6.1.5.1.2.  Colonel rank insignia is worn with the eagle's beak facing forward.

6.1.5.1.3.  The stem on the Lieutenant Colonel and Major rank insignia will point away from the collar.

6.1.5.1.4.  Enlisted Insignia.  Enlisted males will wear 4-inch chevron rank, females wear 3 ½ inch or 4 inch chevrons centered on the outer arm halfway between the shoulder seam and elbow when bent at a 90-degree angle.  Note:  All metal rank has been eliminated on the light-weight blue jacket.  The phase out date for the metal rank was 1 January 2010 (ref attachment 6).

And here's CAPM 39-1 (26JUN2014):

6.1.3. Lightweight Blue Jacket. (Figure 6.3)

6.1.3.1. Will only be worn with USAF-style service uniforms. May be worn over the pullover and cardigan sweaters. Females may wear the male version of the lightweight blue jacket. Blue long or short-sleeved blouses, if not tucked-in, cannot be visible around the bottom of the male or female version of the lightweight blue jacket.

6.1.3.2. The lightweight blue jacket will be partially lined, water repellant and is authorized for inside and outside. It has a zipper front, two slanted pockets, knitted cuffs and waistband. The jacket will be waist length with the zipper worn no lower than halfway between the collar and the waistband. The jacket may be worn with or without an insulated liner. If worn, the insulated liner will not be visible. The embroidered USAF Emblem paired with the text "US Air Force" is not authorized for wear by CAP members on this jacket. (emphasis mine)

6.1.3.2.1. Officer and NCO Rank Insignia. Officers wear embroidered rank insignia on gray epaulet sleeves. Male NCOs wear 4-inch chevron rank; females wear 3 ½ inch or 4 inch chevrons centered on the outer arm halfway between the shoulder seam and elbow when bent at a 90-degree angle.

6.1.3.2.2. Cadet officers will wear regular or miniature size metal rank insignia on the jacket epaulet. Cadet NCOs and Airmen will wear metal chevrons on the jacket collar. Cadet airmen basic wear no collar insignia.

6.1.3.3. The CAP Corporate Seal may be embroidered at the member's expense on the left breast of the jacket. The seal will be 2 5/8 inches in diameter, and represented in while thread using DOD Heraldic Yarn for Embroidery and Ribbon, Bale #HA White 6101, with a stiff tear-off backing and a total stitch count of 8,400 stitches minimum. The center point of the seal will be used to center the seal vertically between the shoulder seam and where the underarm seam joins the armhole sleeve, and centered horizontally between the center zipper and the sleeve armhole seam.

[AlphaSigOU]

And just for grins and giggles, the jacket worn by Presidential Service personnel (including the Commander-in-Chief aboard Air Force One) is the lightweight blue jacket with the Presidential seal embroidered on the right breast and name on the left. (No, it's not available for sale unless issued by the 89th Airlift Wing Presidential Airlift office.)

[xray328]

Thanks.  Is there a good source for these other than eBay?

[Garibaldi]

Thanks.  Is there a good source for these other than eBay?

It's so random. I found 2 at my local army surplus shop in Arkansas, brand new for like $12. Also found a mess dress in my size for under $50.

[PHall]

Thanks.  Is there a good source for these other than eBay?

AAFES

[Гугл переводчик]

I might have some of these laying around actually... What size were you looking for?

[xray328]

That'd be great, looking for 42R and a 8/10 female

[SkywalkerRA]

Has anyone had the CAP seal embroideed on their lightweight blue jacket?

[goblin]

Has anyone had the CAP seal embroideed on their lightweight blue jacket?

Besides the obvious of not being allowed...why?

[THRAWN]

Has anyone had the CAP seal embroideed on their lightweight blue jacket?

Besides the obvious of not being allowed...why?

Look up like four posts and get a copy of 39-1.

[goblin]

Has anyone had the CAP seal embroideed on their lightweight blue jacket?

Besides the obvious of not being allowed...why?

Look up like four posts and get a copy of 39-1.

Guess I missed that one. Good catch.

[Гугл переводчик]

That'd be great, looking for 42R and a 8/10 female

Ill check what I have, and Ill send you a PM with my findings.