NCO Stripes

[Slim]

Here you go. 

[lordmonar]

That one is kind of old....(CAP Cutouts, Flag, Wing Patch)

[Mitchell 1969]

That one is kind of old....(CAP Cutouts, Flag, Wing Patch)

They look a LOT better than I thought they would.

[THRAWN]

That one is kind of old....(CAP Cutouts, Flag, Wing Patch)

They look good. I'm sure they look really good on the BBDU.

That CAP in the middle though....I looked at it without glasses, and it sure looks like a first sergeant diamond....That splash of color with a red triprop would be a lot more distinctive.

[Luis R. Ramos]

Thrawn-

Shhhh!

NHQ may take notice!!!

[USAFRiggerGuy]

That one is kind of old....(CAP Cutouts, Flag, Wing Patch)

Looks good, thank you for taking the time to post!

[Storm Chaser]

The chevron insignias definitely look a lot better than many anticipated. If we could only change all our insignias to a dark blue background. I think most of us would gladly go through the expense of replacing our tapes and badges for something that would look much better on both BDUs and BBDUs.

[winterg]

The chevron insignias definitely look a lot better than many anticipated. If we could only change all our insignias to a dark blue background. I think most of us would gladly go through the expense of replacing our tapes and badges for something that would look much better on both BDUs and BBDUs.

In a heartbeat.

[Storm Chaser]

That CAP in the middle though....I looked at it without glasses, and it sure looks like a first sergeant diamond...

Speaking of, why not authorize the position of First Sergeant for the group and squadron levels? MSgt Harris stated that there was disagreement on what to call the primary NCO position at the unit level. I think that would solve the problem.

[lordmonar]

Issue 1.  USAF does not have First Sergeants at the Group levels.
Issue 2.  The USAF had issues with CAP using the diamond and stars.....and by extension the title "First Sergeant".

As of the last meeting IIRC we are calling the squadron level position "Squadron NCO".
The group level position is the one one where there is still discussion......we wanted "Group Superintendent" there is push back from on high on that (I don't know if it was CAP-USAF or CAP that was pushing back).
Wing and Region....are the Wing and Region Command Chief
I don't remember what we decided to call the CAP NHQ level....I think it was National Command Chief....but I could be wrong.

[Storm Chaser]

Issue 1.  USAF does not have First Sergeants at the Group levels.
Issue 2.  The USAF had issues with CAP using the diamond and stars.....and by extension the title "First Sergeant".

As of the last meeting IIRC we are calling the squadron level position "Squadron NCO".
The group level position is the one one where there is still discussion......we wanted "Group Superintendent" there is push back from on high on that (I don't know if it was CAP-USAF or CAP that was pushing back).
Wing and Region....are the Wing and Region Command Chief
I don't remember what we decided to call the CAP NHQ level....I think it was National Command Chief....but I could be wrong.

Squadron NCO is way too generic to be a position. We could have First Sergeants at the squadron level and Superintendents at the group level. We don't need the diamond to have the 1st Sgt position, just like we don't need the star to have the Command Chief position. Why would the Air Force be fine with Command Chief, but not with First Sergeant?

The fact that CAP (or CAP-USAF) can't agree over titles used in the Air Force is ridiculous. We have no problems calling CAP officers "Commander", so why would we have a problem calling CAP SNCOs "First Sergeant" or "Superintendent"?

[THRAWN]

Issue 1.  USAF does not have First Sergeants at the Group levels.
Issue 2.  The USAF had issues with CAP using the diamond and stars.....and by extension the title "First Sergeant".

As of the last meeting IIRC we are calling the squadron level position "Squadron NCO".
The group level position is the one one where there is still discussion......we wanted "Group Superintendent" there is push back from on high on that (I don't know if it was CAP-USAF or CAP that was pushing back).
Wing and Region....are the Wing and Region Command Chief
I don't remember what we decided to call the CAP NHQ level....I think it was National Command Chief....but I could be wrong.

So to be clear: CAP is performing this NCO experiment to be more like USAF......USAF does not want CAP to be like it. Making up official soundng titles is great. Putting people in those positions is great. Having some codified idea of just what those people are doing there would be even better. I realize its being worked on, but it truly is a perfect example of the proverbial cart before the proverbial donkey....

Probably a big part of the problem would be obtaining the training associated with the title. You dont just become a first sergeant overnight...

[ZigZag911]

We could follow the British army on this; they have "Company Sergeant Majors"... CAP could have Squadron/Group Sergeant Major positions...might aggravate US Army & USMC, but shouldn't bother USAF, they don't use the title!

[Mitchell 1969]

We could follow the British army on this; they have "Company Sergeant Majors"... CAP could have Squadron/Group Sergeant Major positions...might aggravate US Army & USMC, but shouldn't bother USAF, they don't use the title!

Noooooo.....come on now, you KNOW what would happen....


"You can't use those titles. They aren't Air Force enough for you. But you can't use our titles- they are too Air Force for us  to let you use them."

Stand by for "Squadron Stripe Wearer," "Group Chevron Bearer" and "Wing Chevron Striper."

[FW]

I keep running out of popcorn.  Should I make more?   

[MHC5096]

Issue 1.  USAF does not have First Sergeants at the Group levels.

Actually the Air Force does have First Sergeants at both the Group and Squadron levels.

[PHall]

Issue 1.  USAF does not have First Sergeants at the Group levels.

Actually the Air Force does have First Sergeants at both the Group and Squadron levels.

Cite please on the First Sergeant assigned to a Group in the Air Force.  Did 31-1/2 years, never saw one.

[arajca]

I keep running out of popcorn.  Should I make more?   

Yes please. One or two truck loads should be enough. 

[PHall]

I keep running out of popcorn.  Should I make more?   

Yes please. One or two truck loads should be enough. 

Regular, air popped, carmel or kettle?

[THRAWN]

We could follow the British army on this; they have "Company Sergeant Majors"... CAP could have Squadron/Group Sergeant Major positions...might aggravate US Army & USMC, but shouldn't bother USAF, they don't use the title!

Keep it simple: squadron/group/wing/region Senior Enlisted Advisor.